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Old 01-20-2012, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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It's already the murder capitol.
Of what? America. Probably. World? Not even close.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Of what? America. Probably. World? Not even close.
Duh.
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Destrehan, Louisiana
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I know somebody will attack busta for his grammar here, but as usual, he's right. Our violence problem is of the home-grown variety, and having a massive natural disaster decimate the metro area didn't help matters.
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Destrehan, Louisiana
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Why does NOLA have an unusually high rate of violent crime? Busta says it's because the locals like to use drugs. I've lived in lots of places where the locals LOVE drugs, but they don't have the violent crime. What sets NOLA apart is that the market for supplying drugs to the tourists is very lucrative, and draws in mostly poor blacks. They then fight over the drug turf, causing direct and indirect violence. This needs to be understood if the crime issue will ever be resolved. I'm not going to address this any further. Good luck.

Dude I'm running several jobs in New Orleans. One at Colton School, One at Turn Service, and one at Reinventing The Crescent where the tourists hang out and not one shooting.

I'm also running one job at St Mary School across St Claude where no tourists hang out and they had ten shootings last week with several deaths within blocks of the school.

These shootings had nothing to do with the tourists and everything to do with the local drug trade.

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Old 01-20-2012, 09:59 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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What we need is more people who won't put up with the crime.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:00 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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Anytime Busta
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Da Parish
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Bottom line is that if you want change you are going to have to force it, and you have to start with the parents, because what is being taught in the home now is, not an eye for an eye, but a life for an eye. Until we get parents to quit teaching that, things are going to remain the same.

I've seen parents drive kids around the corner to watch neighborhood fights, I've seen pictures of these kids homes with DVD players, video game systems, speakers and TVs piled high in the corners just waiting to be fenced, I've seen parents show up with all their friends at school waiting to jump another parent. I've watched as kids and adults alike danced about in delight over a fight, after someone was robbed by one of their friends, or some act of revenge. This isn't a single parent/poverty/minority problem, this is a moral problem.

The thing is, how do you fix a moral problem? How do you change the mindset of a 23 year old single mother of seven who publicly argues that it is not her responsibility to see to it that her seven year old gets to school once she sends him out the door? (True story folks.) How to you teach the 11 year old child of a dyed in the wool thief that stealing is not funny? How do you convince the good kid who is being bullied by a group of hard core thugs that it is not in his best interest not to join them? Programs and money are nice, but in the end bad parenting and bad parents undo everything society does. If you want change, it has to start at home.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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The thing is, how do you fix a moral problem? How do you change the mindset of a 23 year old single mother of seven who publicly argues that it is not her responsibility to see to it that her seven year old gets to school once she sends him out the door? (True story folks.) How to you teach the 11 year old child of a dyed in the wool thief that stealing is not funny? How do you convince the good kid who is being bullied by a group of hard core thugs that it is not in his best interest not to join them? Programs and money are nice, but in the end bad parenting and bad parents undo everything society does. If you want change, it has to start at home.
Exactly. Unfortunately everyone seems to think that some instant quick fix or show of force at street level will make a difference. We can put cops, guards, etc. on the street and we can paint and fix up all types of things around here. It'll make no difference unless the cycle is broken.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Bottom line is that if you want change you are going to have to force it, and you have to start with the parents, because what is being taught in the home now is, not an eye for an eye, but a life for an eye. Until we get parents to quit teaching that, things are going to remain the same.

I've seen parents drive kids around the corner to watch neighborhood fights, I've seen pictures of these kids homes with DVD players, video game systems, speakers and TVs piled high in the corners just waiting to be fenced, I've seen parents show up with all their friends at school waiting to jump another parent. I've watched as kids and adults alike danced about in delight over a fight, after someone was robbed by one of their friends, or some act of revenge. This isn't a single parent/poverty/minority problem, this is a moral problem.

The thing is, how do you fix a moral problem? How do you change the mindset of a 23 year old single mother of seven who publicly argues that it is not her responsibility to see to it that her seven year old gets to school once she sends him out the door? (True story folks.) How to you teach the 11 year old child of a dyed in the wool thief that stealing is not funny? How do you convince the good kid who is being bullied by a group of hard core thugs that it is not in his best interest not to join them? Programs and money are nice, but in the end bad parenting and bad parents undo everything society does. If you want change, it has to start at home.
Happened at my high school. And yes, they were from New Orleans. She put on a uniform and all.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Mobile,Al(the city by the bay)
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Bottom line is that if you want change you are going to have to force it, and you have to start with the parents, because what is being taught in the home now is, not an eye for an eye, but a life for an eye. Until we get parents to quit teaching that, things are going to remain the same.

I've seen parents drive kids around the corner to watch neighborhood fights, I've seen pictures of these kids homes with DVD players, video game systems, speakers and TVs piled high in the corners just waiting to be fenced, I've seen parents show up with all their friends at school waiting to jump another parent. I've watched as kids and adults alike danced about in delight over a fight, after someone was robbed by one of their friends, or some act of revenge. This isn't a single parent/poverty/minority problem, this is a moral problem.

The thing is, how do you fix a moral problem? How do you change the mindset of a 23 year old single mother of seven who publicly argues that it is not her responsibility to see to it that her seven year old gets to school once she sends him out the door? (True story folks.) How to you teach the 11 year old child of a dyed in the wool thief that stealing is not funny? How do you convince the good kid who is being bullied by a group of hard core thugs that it is not in his best interest not to join them? Programs and money are nice, but in the end bad parenting and bad parents undo everything society does. If you want change, it has to start at home.


Standing ovation !!! Parenting is the blame,I wouldn`t put it all on poverty either.

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