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Old 08-02-2010, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Kentucky
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I've been in NOLA for 2 months. I have met plenty of nice people, haven't had anyone be rude to me white or black, haven't been scammed. Coming from the Midwest, I actually love how black and white seem to mingle down here. You have racism everywhere, but I feel it a lot less in New Orleans than I have elsewhere.
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Old 08-02-2010, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Destrehan, Louisiana
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I just moved here a few months ago. I am about to get a college degree in a few months and it's good to see that I am not the only one struggling to find meaningful work that will lead into a career. I can understand the depressing career climate in NOLA.

Here's my perspective on the city. I love the city and really want to love it, but it lacks in many areas. Here are my beefs with NOLA:

1. Lack of work ethic. Nobody wants to work, let alone work a little. They act annoyed when you start to take up too much of their time. People here think that it's always siesta and daiquiri time.

2. Lack of social responsibility. Businesspeople and others in positions of leadership have no concept of doing the right thing of following the law. They constantly abuse their power and the laws in this state benefit them over the consumer, employee, etc. You have to always remind these people what the law is so that you do not get ripped off. People in high positions care little about the little guy. The adage of kicking a dog while it's down certainly applies here. I can see why parts of NOLA have not rebounded since Katrina and never will.

3. Not open to outsiders. People are superficially friendly and warm, but they don't let you in. I observe that in order to be a part of something and have friends you have to be a fraternity or sorority member (judging by all the Greek letter T-shirts and car decals). It's very clannish here which I find restricting. There is too much self segregation. I notice that many businesses are unlisted and you have to find out about them through somebody. I've never seen such a thing.

4. Scamming and hustling are legitimate ways of operating a business. I went to work for a staffing agency where they tried to stiff me out of my wages. It was nightmare. I have been in other business situations where people have lied so much I don't know who or what I am dealing with. I went shopping for jumbo shrimp the other day and when I come home I see that smaller sized shrimp are mixed in with the jumbos. I had no way of knowing because they took their ice chest to the back to remove the shrimp. The shrimp on top all looked jumbo. That has never happened to me in all my years buying seafood. While this is minor compared to other scams, it's still wrong. Yes, there are liars everywhere, but these people are unreal. I'm shell shocked and I'm from LA, CA (a tough place).

5. Lack of respect for the handicapped in general. Never have I lived in a place where people routinely park in the handicapped section without having a permit without qualms. The attitude towards disabled students is deplorable. This place resembles a banana republic in the US and has more in common with Latin America (due to corruption, crime, poor leadership and low education attainment) than the US.

6. Strained race relations. I won't say that NOLA is Klan country, but there is an undercurrent of racism that shows up as white and black condescension towards other minority groups like Hispanics and white condescension towards blacks. It is an unspoken rule that every race has its 'place'. I notice that many blacks have a deferential attitude towards whites when I go shopping. When my turn comes they aren't so sweet and attentive with me. They are more cut and dry and casually friendly at best with me. I'm Hispanic.

I had nearly had a violent encounter with a drunk white couple who wanted to assault me because they didn't like my dogs and they wanted to start a dog fight with their pit. When I talked back to them and stayed firm they got so mad they almost beat me up. I called the police and one of the sheriff's was antagonistic towards me and talking to me in an accusatory tone. First he went to talk to them though I was the accusing party. It wasn't until he discovered that the man was on probation for a drug offense and saw that the woman was drunk and crazy that he decided to listen to me.

7. Crime People here are prone to violence and abuse in general with little provocation.

I have been here 3 months and this is most of what I've experienced. Maybe I've been unlucky, but once I leave NOLA I ain't comin' back. Parts of the city are beautiful and the city definitely has a character of its own. There is a lively music scene and other attractions that I have not been able to enjoy. If I can't get my practical matters in order how can I enjoy the sweet things that life has to offer? I'm a responsible person and believe that having my affairs in order comes before partying and getting plastered. There's always time for that.

Anyways, those are my 2 cents. I hope that my post helps somebody who is considering a move to New Orleans or assuages the ones who live here.
I only have one answer to your post, bull****. You can find all these problems in any city you live in. Dude you're not from here and it sounds like you are having a hard time fitting in. Don't blame the local people or the city for this. maybe you need to move on to a place that better fits your stile.

Some people come here with expectations of what our city should be from what they read on the net and then find out that it's not what they want so they bash it when they should look at themselves and what they really need.




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Old 08-03-2010, 04:07 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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This is what I hear all the time: "Oh, New Orleans is still so broken from the hurricane! I don't believe you when you say there are no jobs. New Orleans needs help! I'm moving there! I LOOOOVE New Orleans!" Yeah, help is needed as in volunteers and monetary donations to volunteer organizations. As for "normal" jobs, we've been hit by the recession just as hard if not harder. Also, if you don't have connections to a company or sombody who works for that company, good luck. As I said before, nepotism is rampant here and that will never change.

The living experience of New Orleans is no where close to the visitor experience, even if you're here 10 times a year. You either love it or hate it. It's not the happy theme park that many tourists seem to think it is, it's a city. A real life city. You find the good and the bad.

I don't mean to be bitter and I'm not unhappy here, I just tell it like it is.

Point being, don't come on down without having a job first: bad idea.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Houston
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These have truth to them. This behavior is prevelant in the city, but it doesn't dominate it.


By the sound of that, you need to leave the University area/Uptown. Most of the people in the city who act this way are transplants and college students from out of town, at least those that I've encountered.


Like you said, there are liars everywhere. All of these things could happen anywhere. It seems like you're having a bad streak of luck.


Once again, I don't see people breaking handicap laws here no more than anywhere else I've been. As far as students, I can't directly speak on that.
Are you experiencing these things throughout the city or in a specific area?


New Orleans is probably has the best racial relationships than other place in Louisiana or the south, particularly among black and whites. Most Hispanic (except Mexicans) groups blend in good as well since they've been here for generations. The only time black/white tension becomes a serious issue is when politics/power get involved. The only serious strain I've seen lately has been with the Mexican population since they appeared en masse overnight after the storm.


There's no excuse for that. That's horrible, for lack of better word. You seem to really be having a rough time here.


Sadly, people are used to it depending on what are they live in and what they've been exposed to.
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I don't know your situation, but it seems like you've been having horrible luck here. It seems like you've been confined mainly to one area, maybe not, but if so I'd advice you to move around and get a feel for other parts of the city. As you should know there could be a difference of night and day between 3 blocks. If not then maybe New Orleans just isn't for you. In that case good luck where ever you end up.

I do believe that I am having bad luck. I've been around the country and seen my share of ups and downs. I am not lily livered by any means. I have been around the New Orleans area (Metairie, Kenner, Uptown, Mid City, Westwego, Magazine, etc.). I seem to have a better time in the Magazine, but I just pass through. You can't make the assumption that I am in just in one part of town because I am a student.

About the Latinos, I have spoken with many who have told me that they've been robbed, shot at and abused by blacks in general. From their recounting of events after Katrina they appeared overnight to help rebuild the city. They came to work and filled a void that was needed. They said they slept underneath bridges and anywhere since there weren't any hotels after Katrina. It's not like they leached off anybody's resources to be here. I can definitely sympathize with their trials and I do not condone such hostility towards them. I never like to carry stereotypes of people and presume that somebody behaving badly was raised wrong and/or chose to make wrong choices. However, I do believe that the blacks who harbor resentment towards Latinos need to take out their frustrations on the right people (e.g. politicians, President and other people who oppress them).

As for the race relations being better down here I do agree that other parts of the South are much worse. I went to Ocean Springs, MS on my way to Biloxi to check out the beach and casino when I first settled into NOLA. I was driving and getting ready to make a turn and realized that I was making a mistake in my turn. I was going to apologize to the drivers of the next car over and they called me a stupid ****ing ****** (I'm a black Hispanic). So much for apologizing. I left MS like a bat out of hell and have never been back. My mom had a coworker from MS at her last job who dropped the N word like the morning paper. She didn't stop using it till a black ex-coworker sued her. I felt like I had stepped into a 1950s movie. I've had people discriminate me in various ways without ever calling me the N word. That's just wrong.

While I didn't expect NOLA and MS to be like the West Coast, I did expect people and the culture to be a lot more further along than what I have witnessed thus far.

Regarding the handicapped situation I've been all over the country and people generally respect the disabled, but not here. So I will have to disagree on this. This place is not even in the 21st century when it comes to this segment of the population. Did you ever read about Delgado unceremoniously firing the only school's note taker for the disabled and his boss? They were fired due to politics inside the school, but mostly for suggesting the school deal with the disabled better. This incident took place several years ago.

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Old 08-23-2010, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I only have one answer to your post, bull****. You can find all these problems in any city you live in. Dude you're not from here and it sounds like you are having a hard time fitting in. Don't blame the local people or the city for this. maybe you need to move on to a place that better fits your stile.

Some people come here with expectations of what our city should be from what they read on the net and then find out that it's not what they want so they bash it when they should look at themselves and what they really need.






busta

I'm just speaking truth. I'm a OK. The only one talking BS is you. I guess anybody who disagrees with your perspective on things is messed up, blah, blah, blah.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Houston
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This is what I hear all the time: "Oh, New Orleans is still so broken from the hurricane! I don't believe you when you say there are no jobs. New Orleans needs help! I'm moving there! I LOOOOVE New Orleans!" Yeah, help is needed as in volunteers and monetary donations to volunteer organizations. As for "normal" jobs, we've been hit by the recession just as hard if not harder. Also, if you don't have connections to a company or sombody who works for that company, good luck. As I said before, nepotism is rampant here and that will never change.

The living experience of New Orleans is no where close to the visitor experience, even if you're here 10 times a year. You either love it or hate it. It's not the happy theme park that many tourists seem to think it is, it's a city. A real life city. You find the good and the bad.

I don't mean to be bitter and I'm not unhappy here, I just tell it like it is.

Point being, don't come on down without having a job first: bad idea.
So true. Couldn't say it better myself.
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:52 AM
 
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1. Where are these jobs that come with lack of work ethic? I work my a** off here and most everyone else I know does.

2. Lack of social responsibility? I haven't seen a city with so much volunteerism and civic pride, EVER.

3. Not open to outsiders. This might have been the case before the storm but it certainly isn't now. Unless you are a newbie who thinks they deserve to be a part of the Boston Club (Isn't going to happen, and why would anyone want to hang out with those old dried up guys anyhow)

4. Scamming...business. I don't know about this, I haven't seen anything that I haven't seen in Houston or Atlanta previously.

5. Handicapped. People (and I mean trash) do park in handicapped spots at times (and I mean trash...no normal person here does this). There was a controversy about the St. Charles Streetcar line not having handicapped cars (too bad, they are historic and protected under federal law) and the sidewalks are getting fixed to handle handicapped/wheelchair ramps.

6. Race relations: not that good, and not that bad. You only think they are strained because people live very near each other in the city...and its really about class not race. After all, African Americans voted in Stacy Head for re-election (whose district includes Central City), Kristen Palmer into District C (Treme and the Quarter) and Mitch Landrieu as mayor.

7. Crime? What can I say, It is what it is. But at least its not random...
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Old 08-24-2010, 03:02 PM
 
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I just moved here a few months ago. I am about to get a college degree in a few months and it's good to see that I am not the only one struggling to find meaningful work that will lead into a career. I can understand the depressing career climate in NOLA.

Here's my perspective on the city. I love the city and really want to love it, but it lacks in many areas. Here are my beefs with NOLA:

1. Lack of work ethic. Nobody wants to work, let alone work a little. They act annoyed when you start to take up too much of their time. People here think that it's always siesta and daiquiri time.

2. Lack of social responsibility. Businesspeople and others in positions of leadership have no concept of doing the right thing of following the law. They constantly abuse their power and the laws in this state benefit them over the consumer, employee, etc. You have to always remind these people what the law is so that you do not get ripped off. People in high positions care little about the little guy. The adage of kicking a dog while it's down certainly applies here. I can see why parts of NOLA have not rebounded since Katrina and never will.

3. Not open to outsiders. People are superficially friendly and warm, but they don't let you in. I observe that in order to be a part of something and have friends you have to be a fraternity or sorority member (judging by all the Greek letter T-shirts and car decals). It's very clannish here which I find restricting. There is too much self segregation. I notice that many businesses are unlisted and you have to find out about them through somebody. I've never seen such a thing.

4. Scamming and hustling are legitimate ways of operating a business. I went to work for a staffing agency where they tried to stiff me out of my wages. It was nightmare. I have been in other business situations where people have lied so much I don't know who or what I am dealing with. I went shopping for jumbo shrimp the other day and when I come home I see that smaller sized shrimp are mixed in with the jumbos. I had no way of knowing because they took their ice chest to the back to remove the shrimp. The shrimp on top all looked jumbo. That has never happened to me in all my years buying seafood. While this is minor compared to other scams, it's still wrong. Yes, there are liars everywhere, but these people are unreal. I'm shell shocked and I'm from LA, CA (a tough place).

5. Lack of respect for the handicapped in general. Never have I lived in a place where people routinely park in the handicapped section without having a permit without qualms. The attitude towards disabled students is deplorable. This place resembles a banana republic in the US and has more in common with Latin America (due to corruption, crime, poor leadership and low education attainment) than the US.

6. Strained race relations. I won't say that NOLA is Klan country, but there is an undercurrent of racism that shows up as white and black condescension towards other minority groups like Hispanics and white condescension towards blacks. It is an unspoken rule that every race has its 'place'. I notice that many blacks have a deferential attitude towards whites when I go shopping. When my turn comes they aren't so sweet and attentive with me. They are more cut and dry and casually friendly at best with me. I'm Hispanic.

I had nearly had a violent encounter with a drunk white couple who wanted to assault me because they didn't like my dogs and they wanted to start a dog fight with their pit. When I talked back to them and stayed firm they got so mad they almost beat me up. I called the police and one of the sheriff's was antagonistic towards me and talking to me in an accusatory tone. First he went to talk to them though I was the accusing party. It wasn't until he discovered that the man was on probation for a drug offense and saw that the woman was drunk and crazy that he decided to listen to me.

7. Crime People here are prone to violence and abuse in general with little provocation.

I have been here 3 months and this is most of what I've experienced. Maybe I've been unlucky, but once I leave NOLA I ain't comin' back. Parts of the city are beautiful and the city definitely has a character of its own. There is a lively music scene and other attractions that I have not been able to enjoy. If I can't get my practical matters in order how can I enjoy the sweet things that life has to offer? I'm a responsible person and believe that having my affairs in order comes before partying and getting plastered. There's always time for that.

Anyways, those are my 2 cents. I hope that my post helps somebody who is considering a move to New Orleans or assuages the ones who live here.
Agree with everything here 100% and I am a white person from Chicago. I have only been in New Orleans for about 10 months and am moving to Miami on the 31st of August. Thank God. It's a fine city but too many of the people here are dregs on society. People here have far too much ignorance and many do nothing but drink, party and procrastinate their priorities away. This is not a place for a person to develop and achieve their goals. This is a place to live when literally ALL you care about is drinking and partying, and working some menial job to support such a lifestyle- or just stick your hand out for government assistance. A far better place to visit than to live. White/black relations seem to be very good though, for one, you don't see many African-American dominant cities electing white officials into office.
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Old 08-24-2010, 03:05 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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3. Not open to outsiders. This might have been the case before the storm but it certainly isn't now. Unless you are a newbie who thinks they deserve to be a part of the Boston Club (Isn't going to happen, and why would anyone want to hang out with those old dried up guys anyhow)
This is true to an extent. Maybe it's open to blue collar trades and other areas that needed help rebuilding, but it sure isn't welcoming to this 30's, upper middle class white girl working and going to grad school within the health professions. I can't name a high school I attended here, so I can't have a decent group of friends. I've been laughed out of places and shunned because I couldn't say "Dominican" or "Mount Carmel." I'm treated like an outsider at school and work because all anyone wants to do is gossip about old high school friends and talk about high school days. WTF? I've never lived in a place where high school was so darned important.

I have a few friends, but we're not the kind that are similar enough to hang out, we're just in the same "didn't go to high school here" boat. Whether you want to believe it or not, it's hindering our professional careers. Example: I'm better at XYZ job but Suzie gets it because she went to school at Mount Carmel with the boss's daughter (even though Suzie's screwed up XYZ job numerous times).

I have the utmost respect for pride, but this can be the biggest "small town" ever. I don't care to be any part of the social elite or in any stupid club, I just want a decent group of people in their mid-late 20's to early 40's (who live here) to hang out, chat it up, and go drinking with . Can you tell me where the younger professionals are who can set high school aside and try to get to know a friendly, super fun "outsider?"

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Old 08-24-2010, 06:01 PM
 
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It's a fine city but too many of the people here are dregs on society. People here have far too much ignorance and many do nothing but drink, party and procrastinate their priorities away. This is not a place for a person to develop and achieve their goals. This is a place to live when literally ALL you care about is drinking and partying, and working some menial job to support such a lifestyle- or just stick your hand out for government assistance.

Seems with such "ignorant, drunk" competition a person could achieve all their goals and then some. Maybe it's not the city...
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