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Old 02-10-2009, 02:35 PM
 
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that is the main problem with Louisiana in general. It has always been a state of "what can you do for me?". that is exactly why we rank 50th in most state rankings. We never try to do for ourselves.
It is not the govts job to rebuild Louisiana or New Orleans it is OUR JOB.
Correct!

LA would be wise to learn a lesson from Mississippi, post-Katrina. While they also wanted Fed help, they didn't wait around either. They rolled up their sleeves & got to work!
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:09 PM
 
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It is the federal government's job to provide wetland restoration and flood protection (and it was the government who had to step in and pay for levee failures because the government stood behind levees that didn't even stand up to their rated engineering spec).
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Baton Rouge
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It is the federal government's job to provide wetland restoration and flood protection (and it was the government who had to step in and pay for levee failures because the government stood behind levees that didn't even stand up to their rated engineering spec).
I agree.

People seem to have this idea in their heads that everybody in Louisiana is sitting on their porch waiting for the federal government to come and fix their house...Not ture. Maybe in some parts of the City of New Orleans. But as far as the Greater New Orleans area and the Lake Charles area affected by the hurricanes, people have made much more progress.

Also keep in mind that the Mississippi Gulf Coast is generally wealthier than the City of New Orleans.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, La
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It is the federal government's job to provide wetland restoration and flood protection (and it was the government who had to step in and pay for levee failures because the government stood behind levees that didn't even stand up to their rated engineering spec).
Only partly. It was their job to build the levees and maintain them, but it was also the city of New Orleans and Louisian's job to ensure that maintenance was being done effectively and repairs/upgrades successfully. the state failed to do this, letting the levees go into disrepair.
The govt has 50 states to worry about, not just Louisiana. It has projects all over the US to maintain and if our lazy assed state govt is not willing to lift a finger to do something about it, theres not much the national govt can do about it. And on top of that the CITY is also responsible for making sure its citizens are protected. It is a 3 point failure, not merely a national one. It failed on 3 levels of government.

ALso, it is rather embarassing that a world reknowned city like New Orleans that pulls over millions of tourists a year could be so broke that it cannot afford infrastructural improvements. The real truth is that if New Orleanians had shown more concern pre-Katrina, this probably would not have happened. Its complacency that causes things to happen and this is true around the world anytime something fails. Sit back and pretend everything is fine or ignore the warning signs that I am willing to bet were there, and then when a disaster occurs, it comes down hard. Australia is dealing with this currently. A huge amount of bushfires due to lack of control fire management and allowing too much fuel to build up resulted in fires that killed about 200 people. Management of forest involves burning control fires to keep underbrush and fuel to safe levels in the event of an out of control fire, so that it can be put out quickly. Victoria failed its citizens in a very similar way.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:21 PM
 
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The Levees were not built properly to begin with, period.

The lake levees held, the river held...it was at the darn canals using the I walls that failed and were never built to hold what they were rated to hold back.

And I'm not excusing the city government....there are a lot of people here since Katrina, new people who are moving on supporting and working to unseat the problem administration in this city. For too long people could ignore or felt generally powerless against the incompetence and corruption.

No more.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:58 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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Correct!

LA would be wise to learn a lesson from Mississippi, post-Katrina. While they also wanted Fed help, they didn't wait around either. They rolled up their sleeves & got to work!
Yay!, let's build hi-rise condos along the lake that no one can afford during this economic climate and screw everyone who's worth less than a mil. Just like the MS Gufl Coast

People love to make the LA v. MS comparison, but have they really made that much more progress than we have? Yea they rebuilt the damaged casinos and added a few more. The mall is rebuilt. Shiny new, but empty condo towers sit along the beach now. Areas that used to be neighborhoods are now vacant lots until you start moving inland. One of the mayors has been convicted of FEMA fraud. They have 50 new Waffle Houses (I wish NOLA had a few actually) The people that live there make the same recovery gripes that we make in NOLA. Politicians have mismanaged funds just as in LA.

As far as who's fault it is, I do agree it was a failure on all ends, but if it wasn't for the govt failure you wouldn't have had any of the others.

As far as the Entitlement thing, Yeah there are plenty here who feel entitled and in reality don't deserve ****. But there are more who actually work hard and desire to see this place come back. People from the outside constantly make comments and develop opinions and DON'T have any CLUE of what goes on in New Orleans or what the people who live here go through. People who have never been here are quick to say how lazy, good for nothing, self-entitled, ignorant, etc. we are. I think the problem lies in public mistrust for the govt. and the piece of corruption that the govt. is. NOLA's problems are too deep and I don't feel like going there right now, but hopefully somebody will get my point.

Also has anyone notices that the govt. projects and flood protection have failed in other places as well (look at the Northern Mississippi River System) and the people need just as much help? I guess that It's their fault that a govt. built, funded, and maintained fails and even after the disasters they still can't get it right.

As far as New Orleans being broke. It's a city built to support a metro of 1.4 mil plus an extra mil tourist during events like mardi gras. Only 400,000 of those live in the city, the majority of whom are poor. Then you have "Louisiana Politicians" (state in city) who don't think twice about robbing the public blind.

For the record even Los Angeles is broke.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:01 PM
 
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Also keep in mind that the Mississippi Gulf Coast is generally wealthier than the City of New Orleans.
It has nothing to do with wealth, and everything to do with self-reliance & self-determination.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:22 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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It has nothing to do with wealth, and everything to do with self-reliance & self-determination.
What have they done?
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:34 PM
 
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What have they done?
They didn't wait for the Feds.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:47 PM
 
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How exactly did we wait for the Feds? TO fix Levees? Hell yes
That's not something any city could afford to fund. See the greatly improved Industrial Canal levee T walls which took a beating during Gustav and held.
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