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Old 01-12-2010, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Da Parish
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Yes. However, It was BEFORE Katrina. I experienced blatant racism twice and subtle racism on a few occasions. I will not describe them here. Suffice it to say that I have traveled to over 25 countries and quite a few states. I have friends from all walks of life and we have traveled together (usually one or two of us at a time). BTW, I also witnessed blatant outright racism towards African American friends too. It was an embarrasing episode, one that again I care not to describe. Suffice it to say there is racism whether subtle or outright EVERYWHERE in the world. No one group holds the market on it nor is one group the only victim. It is awful in ALL it's forms and destroys everything in it's path.
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Old 01-12-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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been hearing this a lot lately. thoughts? How will N.O. figure into "The New South"?
As for today, the New South (positive things of the southern culture minus the negative southern racism and provincialism) only applies to most of Virginia, North Carolina, and Texas.

Atlanta and most of South Florida just has a mix of extreme good ol' boy white conservatism, extreme limousine liberalism, and extreme minority self-separatism tied into it, of which both sides are just as close-minded.

The rest of the South, don't even waste your time asking about it.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Baton Rouge
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As for today, the New South (positive things of the southern culture minus the negative southern racism and provincialism) only applies to most of Virginia, North Carolina, and Texas.

Atlanta and most of South Florida just has a mix of extreme good ol' boy white conservatism, extreme limousine liberalism, and extreme minority self-separatism tied into it, of which both sides are just as close-minded.

The rest of the South, don't even waste your time asking about it.
Texas....seriously?

This poster is obviously confused. I suggest everyone disregard the above remark.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:43 PM
 
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Texas....seriously?

This poster is obviously confused. I suggest everyone disregard the above remark.
Maybe I should have edited it as the "The Major Metropolitan cities of Texas (Houston, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio)" as being part of the New South.


There. Is that more accurate?
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Old 01-12-2010, 04:09 PM
 
Location: City of Central
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^^^ Troll .
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Old 01-13-2010, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Baton Rouge
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Maybe I should have edited it as the "The Major Metropolitan cities of Texas (Houston, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio)" as being part of the New South.


There. Is that more accurate?
I'll give you Austin. That's all.
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Old 01-13-2010, 10:40 AM
 
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Actually the law did not prohibit anyone from renting property to anyone who wasn't a blood relative. The law specifically prohibited residential home owners from fixing up their homes and turning them into rental property. Because the prevailing fear was that developers would buy up cheap property and turn the entire parish into rental property as opposed to the established home owner format. It was figured that if the property could only be rented to a member of the family it would limit developers interest in taking advantage of a disaster situation and encourage citizens to remain and rebuild instead. Any rental property that exsisted pre-K was not affected by the law and was to be open to anyone wanting to rent out that property.

While the intent of the law was good and reasonable, it brought up race issues because of the predominately white homeowner status of the parish, not to mention the ire of homeowners who were limited as to what they could do with their own property. In the end the law was bunked and instead there is a limit on the number of former owned residences to be turned into rental property. Out of town develpers were instead forced to buy and sell the property they were snatching up for pennies on the dollar rather than rent them out as absentee landlords.

Despite all this brewhaha over rental property, (you would think that there are people dying to get into the parish with all this fuss), the St. Bernard rental market is dead and those who own rental property cannot find tennants and are putting their properties up for sale at unbelieveably low prices. Open up the St. Bernard News and there are tons of available units for rent, including low rent section 8.
Actually:Reconstruction After Katrina: Brazen Housing Discrimination Continues | Hurricane Katrina | AlterNet

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.s...mitting_p.html
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Old 01-13-2010, 11:24 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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Just move down here for a year and see how things really are. While there is discrimination, those articles make it sound like we're in the 1950's and are all one-sided.

You should really do a survey and ask the average person of any ethnicity in this city how do they feel about race relations. Seriously a lot of this stuff like the KKK incident does not happen often and that particular accident was more likely to be done by a group of kids or someone black then an actual klan member. I'm not saying that it isn't possible though.

St. Benard Parish: I can't really speak on this since I only know two people that currently live in "da Parish" right now. I will say that I believe that some discrimination played a factor (as it does in anything, anywhere), but what Drouzin said is as much of an issue as well. The developer issue, was one metro-wide and not just St. Bernard.

KKK/Metairie: Random to say the least. Probably a ignorant prank than a serious threat.

Crescent City Connection: I don't agree with stopping people on the bridge, nor was I a fan of Harry Lee. The Katrina aftermath was handled badly in anyway possible. Did discrimination play a part of it? If you ask me, absolutely. But at the same time it may have been best to keep the chaos limited to OP. It's not like there was anywhere to go on the other side of the bridge anyway. Also, there are many black westbankers who supported this.


I'm not saying that New Orleans does not have racial problems. Every city does has them, but I'm saying that they are not as bad or drawn out as the media make them. It's something that you would have to live yourself.
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Old 01-13-2010, 11:32 AM
 
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Just move down here for a year and see how things really are. While there is discrimination, those articles make it sound like we're in the 1950's and are all one-sided.

You should really do a survey and ask the average person of any ethnicity in this city how do they feel about race relations. Seriously a lot of this stuff like the KKK incident does not happen often and that particular accident was more likely to be done by a group of kids or someone black then an actual klan member. I'm not saying that it isn't possible though.

St. Benard Parish: I can't really speak on this since I only know two people that currently live in "da Parish" right now. I will say that I believe that some discrimination played a factor (as it does in anything, anywhere), but what Drouzin said is as much of an issue as well. The developer issue, was one metro-wide and not just St. Bernard.

KKK/Metairie: Random to say the least. Probably a ignorant prank than a serious threat.

Crescent City Connection: I don't agree with stopping people on the bridge, nor was I a fan of Harry Lee. The Katrina aftermath was handled badly in anyway possible. Did discrimination play a part of it? If you ask me, absolutely. But at the same time it may have been best to keep the chaos limited to OP. It's not like there was anywhere to go on the other side of the bridge anyway. Also, there are many black westbankers who supported this.


I'm not saying that New Orleans does not have racial problems. Every city does has them, but I'm saying that they are not as bad or drawn out as the media make them. It's something that you would have to live yourself.
I was born in New Orleans. My mother is from Louisiana and I have cousins, aunts, and an uncle down there. My mother has some stories about her hometown from the days of desegregation.

KKK activity msy not be as common, but you should look something up about the Algiers Point vigilante shootings.

BTW, I was not talking about the rest of Louisiana, I was talking about St. Bernard and St. Bernard alone when i spoke of the "blood relative" law.

As a side note, I have a cousin living in Plaquemines Parish and she likes it down there. According to here, race relations down there aren't that bad.
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Old 01-13-2010, 12:04 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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KKK activity msy not be as common, but you should look something up about the Algiers Point vigilante shootings.
I lived in Algiers when I was living on the Westbank. Sadly that what happens when you mix ignorance, racism, fear, and desperation. Read up on what NOPD was up to in Algiers as well. There are reports of NOPD and the National Guard doing the same thing all across the city. What makes them any different other than many being a different color? It's all sick and inexcusable IMO.

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BTW, I was not talking about the rest of Louisiana, I was talking about St. Bernard and St. Bernard alone when i spoke of the "blood relative" law.
I wasn't either. I was speaking of the NOLA area in general. Race relations seem to sour the further you get from NOLA
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