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Old 11-30-2015, 04:10 AM
 
Location: nola
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I have to completely agree with Knight. Since last season I've been saying Peyton is done...and so is Brees. In fact I believe in most other cities the two would've gotten the slip a while ago, but Benson(gotta love him) is a true New Orleanian and resists the idea of change and restructuring

...its not always a bad thing
For me, it's not a fear of change. It's a fear of going back to years of mediocrity. You could be right. Hell, you probably are right. They looked horrible. I just hope they can get someone very good to take his place if he goes.
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Old 11-30-2015, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Rita Benson Leblanc would kick butt and take names. If she took over, as she should, she would fire Payton and Loomis and start over. Within 2 years the Saints would be back to the Superbowl. People don't like her because she's tough as nails. If you run an NFL organization you have to be tough, you have to make difficult decisions and sometimes make enemies.

Benson wanted someone tough to take over and when he was sane he had decided for her to take over but now that he has dementia his wife Gayle has brainwashed him. Loomis and Payton hate Rita because they know they would be held accountable to her.
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Old 11-30-2015, 08:02 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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For me, it's not a fear of change. It's a fear of going back to years of mediocrity. You could be right. Hell, you probably are right. They looked horrible. I just hope they can get someone very good to take his place if he goes.
The Saints have returned to mediocrity.
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:25 PM
 
Location: nola
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The Saints have returned to mediocrity.
They had a decent year in Payton' s first year, then returned to mediocrity in '07 and '08, then won the super bowl in '09. We were 13-3 in '11 and 11-5 in '13. I know I'm hard headed, but I still think Payton is a great offensive coach. I think we finally had a decent draft after bringing in Ireland. Maybe one more good draft, and bring in a great young d coordinator. Who's to say we couldn't turn it back around? Of course, by the time this season is over Payton might be ready to leave anyhow, but if he wants it, I think he deserves a chance to turn it around.

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Old 11-30-2015, 07:15 PM
 
Location: nola
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They had a decent year in Payton' s first year, then returned to mediocrity in '07 and '08, then won the super bowl in '09. We were 13-3 in '11 and 11-5 in '13. I know I'm hard headed, but I still think Payton is a great offensive coach. I think we finally had a decent draft after bringing in Ireland. Maybe one more good draft, and bring in a great young d coordinator. Who's to say we couldn't turn it back around? Of course, by the time this season is over Payton might be ready to leave anyhow, but if he wants it, I think he deserves a chance to turn it around.
My point is we were 11-5 in 2013. Now we have had 2 losing seasons and everyone wants Payton fired. We were 10-6 in 2006, and then had 2 losing seasons. Should we have fired him at the end of the '08 season?
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Old 12-02-2015, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Denver
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We're spoiled.

Almost fired Les for 110 wins in his tenure at LSU.

Spoiled...
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Old 12-04-2015, 08:57 AM
 
Location: SE LA
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Coach Payton does not have the edge he had in the 2009 season and 2010 playoffs. Or the 2011 season when they went 13-3 again but couldn't beat the pretty good 49ers (who would nosedive even faster than the Saints would!) in the 2012 playoffs.

However that does not mean he has to go. But it would probably be the best thing for him. Tennessee or most likely the New Jersey Giants. I'd be surprised if he stays.

Brees? As much as I'd hate to see him leave the Saints he needs to go to a good team, a winning team, that not only would keep him from getting smashed but could win a Super Bowl. Initially I was thinking Denver but that's not looking likely. Houston makes a lot of sense. Plus the Saints owe him $30 million for 2016. Think that's gonna work after getting rid of aging "expensive" players already? GM Mickey Loomis has, to borrow a phrase that's said a lot around New Orleans, kicked the can down the road in regard to how he's handled certain contracts.

For some incredibly inane reason the Saints continue to think Zach Strief is a good player. He SUCKS. He is the worst player on the team and has been the worst player on the O-line for years. How he's still around is dumbfounding.

Mickey Loomis - he should've been fired a long time ago. Not only did he NOT get rid of that soft serve ice cream of a player Jimmy Graham when the contract squabble came up he, kept him around and way overpaid him. Then he got rid of players that are doing great - Sproles, Jenkins, Ivory, Porter - and got rid of people that were just fine and still doing it - Moore, Vilma, Thomas - and got a bunch of HACKS: Brandon Browner? That dude shouldn't even be in the NFL. He's a moron. Jarius Byrd? He sucks. A complete waste of money and time. Too many other players I can't even name because I can't keep track of them because they show up and either get cut or there's just too many bad players there's no point in trying to learn their names.

The era, although some of the key players are still around, ended after the 2012 playoffs. The window closed then. Losing to the 7-9 division "winning" Seattle Seadorks in the 2011 playoffs was beyond embarrassing yet completely unavoidable: injuries depleted the Saints beyond repair; they would've lost at home - something a lot of fans whined about being different. It would not've been different. But they came back for that 2011 season and did great. That was it. The 2013 season was evidence of what was to happen for the rest of the Payton/Brees era - an inability to win the games that mattered; they lost key games against conference and division rivals that did not let them play at home (undefeated at home for the 2012 and 2013 regular seasons) and although they finally won a playoff game on the road against Philly they still stunk it up in Seattle, who actually earned a right to be in the playoffs this time.

Brees has gone on to be the Wayne Gretzky of the NFL, blowing up records, setting ridiculous records and being a great spokesperson for the game. That's all that's left for him in New Orleans - breaking records.
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Old 12-06-2015, 01:06 PM
 
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Call Me Freakin Crazy, me say the Saints got this, WHO DAT
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Old 12-06-2015, 01:11 PM
 
Location: nola
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Call Me Freakin Crazy, me say the Saints got this, WHO DAT
Same kool aid as last week? Seriously though, these are the kind of games that this crazy, inconsistent team might win.
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Old 12-06-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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Same Kool-Aid, just more of it, lol.
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