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Yes, and many of the young are setting themselves up to be failures in life.
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Originally Posted by NYer23
Commute can be soul crushing unless you live in a very expensive suburb that has a direct express line to the city. Many of the high paying jobs require long working hours and never seeing your kids during the week is very antiquated. Much of the younger generation is soft compared to old timers who are willing to go through that grind.
I have a car here. The advice about moving without a car is stupid. Granted, I pay over $250 a month to garage it, after multiple bad street parking experiences, I still pay it because it's worth it to be able to escape. I probably drive 5,000 miles a year if that, so what I lose in garage fees I make up for in not paying much in maintenance. Not having a car is like chaining yourself to hell. Zipcar is no substitute for the freedom of your own air conditioned ride you own, especially when you ride it out of the city in 100 degree heat in July/August. It's stupid advice for people who think public transit is the best thing ever and needs no backup. If there's another terrorist attack are you going to rely on it and/or your bike? Oh yeah, and it's brand new and luxury everything plus the ass warming leather seats, navigation, moonroof, Ecoboost, and security cameras built in. Meaning, it has to go in a garage so the drug dealers don't rip it apart again and I don't have to put those lame ass guards on the sides. I enjoy threatening to run over panhandlers as I make my way up the coast in it, best money I ever spent.
Why are you always so angry? By the way, I've lived car free my whole life. I have a license sure, but driving sucks...as does owning a car.
I paid $700 a month for a room as a grad student, and no I didn't suffer. Out in Central Queens one can find rooms as low as $500 a month.
Live where you can realistically afford to live and you're perfectly fine living in NYC.
The end..
I think NYC is amazing. I have lived here as a renter making peanuts and as a homeowner earning a comfortable salary. I lived where I could afford. Even though I can now afford Manhattan and gentrified areas, I don't see why I should make that move. I know a few solid middle to upper middle class folks. Only one lives in Manhattan (owner of a co-op, lived in an unsexy area and saved heavily until he could afford to put a healthy down payment). The others who live in the expensive gentry areas of Brooklyn are actually owners of multi family buildings with renters paying their mortgage. They all lived in these areas before it was hot and sexy. They bought what they could afford.
I have traveled the world. NYC gives me the feels every single time I come home.
My wife and I own a co-op in Manhattan. We're far from rich. More like 'comfortable'. And we're doing fine. There are two key things for us: first, we had some money together before we arrived. This is important, honestly. Turning up with nothing is going to be difficult.
The second thing is priorities. If you try to 'keep up' with others, and if you let others dictate what you should and shouldn't do, then you'll haemorrhage cash in this city. Our priorities are modest: subscriptions to the the NY Philharmonic and the ballet are about as extravagant as we get. If we took everyone's advice on 'dressing to impress' and going to eat at XY-expensive restaurant then we'd be bankrupt.
We'd probably do better financially if we left, but my wife likes her job, so we're here. Which is fine. The only things that bother me about NYC are a sense of transience and disconnection that I can't really shake -- though that's just a personal problem -- and the snobs.
I'm not talking about Park Avenue snobs. Avoiding those is trivial. I'm talking about people who bind New York's preeminence into their egos.
"Oh, I could never go to Cleveland, dahling. I'd die if I had to work with those unenlightened peasants. Once you've tasted the Real Deal, it's hard to go back, you know? I need the speed and challenge of excellence. This city is just a part of me now."
I met people like this when I first arrived, and I still meet people like this now, despite my best efforts. They're like fungus growing in the bathroom: nasty, bitter, and popping up right when you don't want them. They're just so tiresome. They're probably battling terrible personal demons, and I should feel sorry for them, but irritation barges out pathos I'm afraid.
My wife and I own a co-op in Manhattan. We're far from rich. More like 'comfortable'. And we're doing fine. There are two key things for us: first, we had some money together before we arrived. This is important, honestly. Turning up with nothing is going to be difficult.
The second thing is priorities. If you try to 'keep up' with others, and if you let others dictate what you should and shouldn't do, then you'll haemorrhage cash in this city. Our priorities are modest: subscriptions to the the NY Philharmonic and the ballet are about as extravagant as we get. If we took everyone's advice on 'dressing to impress' and going to eat at XY-expensive restaurant then we'd be bankrupt.
We'd probably do better financially if we left, but my wife likes her job, so we're here. Which is fine. The only things that bother me about NYC are a sense of transience and disconnection that I can't really shake -- though that's just a personal problem -- and the snobs.
I'm not talking about Park Avenue snobs. Avoiding those is trivial. I'm talking about people who bind New York's preeminence into their egos.
"Oh, I could never go to Cleveland, dahling. I'd die if I had to work with those unenlightened peasants. Once you've tasted the Real Deal, it's hard to go back, you know? I need the speed and challenge of excellence. This city is just a part of me now."
I met people like this when I first arrived, and I still meet people like this now, despite my best efforts. They're like fungus growing in the bathroom: nasty, bitter, and popping up right when you don't want them. They're just so tiresome. They're probably battling terrible personal demons, and I should feel sorry for them, but irritation barges out pathos I'm afraid.
where are you from originally?
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I'm not talking about Park Avenue snobs. Avoiding those is trivial. I'm talking about people who bind New York's preeminence into their egos.
"Oh, I could never go to Cleveland, dahling. I'd die if I had to work with those unenlightened peasants. Once you've tasted the Real Deal, it's hard to go back, you know? I need the speed and challenge of excellence. This city is just a part of me now."
I met people like this when I first arrived, and I still meet people like this now, despite my best efforts. They're like fungus growing in the bathroom: nasty, bitter, and popping up right when you don't want them. They're just so tiresome. They're probably battling terrible personal demons, and I should feel sorry for them, but irritation barges out pathos I'm afraid.
Yeah I see those people as pretty lame nowadays...the sort I roll my eyes at and think "yeah whatever, your whole goal in life was to live in Manhattan and be some obnoxious elitist with an acute case of provincialism. Congrats on achieving that."
My wife and I own a co-op in Manhattan. We're far from rich. More like 'comfortable'. And we're doing fine. There are two key things for us: first, we had some money together before we arrived. This is important, honestly. Turning up with nothing is going to be difficult.
The second thing is priorities. If you try to 'keep up' with others, and if you let others dictate what you should and shouldn't do, then you'll haemorrhage cash in this city. Our priorities are modest: subscriptions to the the NY Philharmonic and the ballet are about as extravagant as we get. If we took everyone's advice on 'dressing to impress' and going to eat at XY-expensive restaurant then we'd be bankrupt.
We'd probably do better financially if we left, but my wife likes her job, so we're here. Which is fine. The only things that bother me about NYC are a sense of transience and disconnection that I can't really shake -- though that's just a personal problem -- and the snobs.
I'm not talking about Park Avenue snobs. Avoiding those is trivial. I'm talking about people who bind New York's preeminence into their egos.
"Oh, I could never go to Cleveland, dahling. I'd die if I had to work with those unenlightened peasants. Once you've tasted the Real Deal, it's hard to go back, you know? I need the speed and challenge of excellence. This city is just a part of me now."
I met people like this when I first arrived, and I still meet people like this now, despite my best efforts. They're like fungus growing in the bathroom: nasty, bitter, and popping up right when you don't want them. They're just so tiresome. They're probably battling terrible personal demons, and I should feel sorry for them, but irritation barges out pathos I'm afraid.
If you get that irritated with them, you're the one battling personal demons. That person is just talking about where they want to live, and that's their life and it's their CHOICE. It has nothing to do with you.
I love NYC, but don't really see much reason for anyone to live here if their salary will only allow them to live in the outer boroughs with roommates.
For every 3 natives that love it here there is 1 that cannot wait to get out.
Plenty of other great cities where one could live much more comfortably with less stress.
I'll be out of here sooner than later.
Last edited by usamathman; 05-20-2017 at 12:58 PM..
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