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Old 11-12-2010, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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There are two things in your favor for the complete removal of the clothes line. You might want to offer the following "carrot" to the LL. 2nd floor tenant might argue that even thought the clothes line is not listed in the lease (very doubtful) the lose thereof would constitute decreased services, she has been using it for quite some time. That's what I would do if I was her. Yet even under RS laws, stricter then normal residential law the removal of a clothesline would be considered a de minimis condition requiring no replacement of a new line or a dryer thus no breaking of the lease, give back or reduction in rent is going to happen.
More importantly, this is the "stick", if your LL refused to get involved you might want to hit him up with the quiet enjoyment covenant. Although originally intended to protect a renter from being harassed by the LL or anyone else who lays legal claim to the property the tenant is "quietly enjoying", it has been expanded to include general annoyances such as underwear hitting you in the face while you're playing badminton in your backyard. This is a legal premise that even though isn't specifically spelled out in most leases it is your right and the LL has to legally comply with.
All well and good but complicated ,nasty and maybe expensive.
I's buy the upstairs tenant a dryer.Much simpler.......and it would keep the peace.
If I had a downstairs neighbor raise a ruckus about my clothesline he might never have another day of "quiet enjoyment" of his back yard.
Once you launch the first volley in a neighbor war you never know where it might lead.
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Old 11-12-2010, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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As a landlord I would never allow a clothes line for precisely that reason...nobody wants to see your ratty undies, and it inconveniences others. Nevermind that it means they have a washing machine, which I would not allow either.

Sobro, You make me sick. You just annoy the crap out of me.

Well our LL allows clotheslines as we all have them in the courtyard. There are2. I wouldn't live anywhere in the whole entire world where I couldn't have a clothesline.
and for the reocied all my clothes, be it undies or linenes are not ratty thank you very much.
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Old 11-12-2010, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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Ok, but lets be sensible, where does the clothesline connect to? Does it connect to a tree, or a pole, because it really should then be even with their windows upstairs, as our are. We are on the 4th fllor and our clothesline is level with the 4th as is the third and second.
So yes, I do understand if there clothes are actually blowing in your face as you walk in your yard. t=Yes, that would be annoying.

If the clothesline slopes downward, maybe you can ask then to raise it level with their windows and tie it tight as to prevent drooping.

It would be good if you both can be happy, you can enjoy your yard, and they can still hang their clothes.
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Old 11-12-2010, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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for the post before, correction, there are 12 clotheslines in our courtyard.
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Old 11-12-2010, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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As a landlord I would never allow a clothes line for precisely that reason...nobody wants to see your ratty undies, and it inconveniences others. Nevermind that it means they have a washing machine, which I would not allow either.

ugh, and who would want to live in one of your buildings, certainly not me.
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Old 11-12-2010, 07:57 PM
 
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All well and good but complicated ,nasty and maybe expensive.
I's buy the upstairs tenant a dryer.Much simpler.......and it would keep the peace.
In case you haven't noticed drying clothes on a line has become a political movement.
Right 2 Dry: Restore Your Right To Line Dry


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If I had a downstairs neighbor raise a ruckus about my clothesline he might never have another day of "quiet enjoyment" of his back yard.
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Once you launch the first volley in a neighbor war you never know where it might lead.
It might lead to getting something you legally deserve not to mention some self respect.
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:04 PM
 
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Sobro, You make me sick. You just annoy the crap out of me.
^^^This
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:11 PM
 
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Excellent! Thanks modsquad81.
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:52 PM
 
Location: London
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My neighbors have a clothesline. Bras and boxers hanging 6 stories above a garden. Neighbor on the fifth floor likes to chainsmoke out of her window. I watch the clothes float in the breeze and wonder what they smell like once they're dry.
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Old 11-14-2010, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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funny how anytime a clothesline is mentioned, people always make fun of underware hanging on a clothesline. Newsflash: we all have underware, and I'm sure the ones hanging on the line to dry aren't ratty, like everyone seems to think.
We also hang towels, and sheets, and pants...etc.....not just underware.
Geez people, are you guys that upset to see a pair of undies hanging on a line..........is this what we worry about.....seems silly, don't ya think????
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