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it has nothing to do with having respect. just pointing out that other places have an easier job of keeping the place clean. what you are asking for is a revamping of social value and accountability that might not come to fruition in our lifetimes. other societies function differently. same reason why there is less violent crime in other modern countries than the US. different values. unfortunately its not happening here. so we have to look at the big picture. maybe we should fine $6000 for throwing gum on the sidewalk like they do in singapore perhaps. or a caning may be in order. who knows.
Exactly, why not? Who cares about being rational or the keeping in mind the status quo as long as the subways are shiny and spotless?
No, but really, if all of you REALLY wanted to make a change it would have to be through the means of the NYPD. If the NYPD started cracking down on people like that, like they did with panhandling on the subways, then people would stop doing it within 6 months, probably. However, we have enough problems with the NYPD that going to them for help just does not seem like a problem they would handle or treat correctly.
Exactly, why not? Who cares about being rational or the keeping in mind the status quo as long as the subways are shiny and spotless?
No, but really, if all of you REALLY wanted to make a change it would have to be through the means of the NYPD. If the NYPD started cracking down on people like that, like they did with panhandling on the subways, then people would stop doing it within 6 months, probably. However, we have enough problems with the NYPD that going to them for help just does not seem like a problem they would handle or treat correctly.
The city does need money and I agree that is probably the only solution. It's really a win win when you think about it. The city makes money and it improves our QOL.
No, but really, if all of you REALLY wanted to make a change it would have to be through the means of the NYPD. If the NYPD started cracking down on people like that, like they did with panhandling on the subways, then people would stop doing it within 6 months, probably. However, we have enough problems with the NYPD that going to them for help just does not seem like a problem they would handle or treat correctly.
I'll grant you that strict enforcement of littering laws would be a big help (not as big a help as if people didn't litter in the first place, but a big help nonetheless). The problem is that in a subway/bus system that carries five million passengers each day, and a grand total of less than 40,000 police officers on the streets, well, the numbers are running against litter enforcement as opposed to other areas that need to be handled.
Although the subway cars are filthy quite often, it is the subway stations themselves that are extremely hazardous to our health. The ceilings of many subway stations in NYC have layers of toxic black mold on them (start looking up at the ceiling next time you're in any subway station). We are exposed to this toxic mold everyday, which can bring forth both short and long-term health issues. So many subway stations are plagued with this problem, that I can't even count a handful of stations that don't have black mold growing in them somewhere. The MTA does NOTHING to get rid of the toxic black mold.
Although the subway cars are filthy quite often, it is the subway stations themselves that are extremely hazardous to our health. The ceilings of many subway stations in NYC have layers of toxic black mold on them (start looking up at the ceiling next time you're in any subway station). We are exposed to this toxic mold everyday, which can bring forth both short and long-term health issues. So many subway stations are plagued with this problem, that I can't even count a handful of stations that don't have black mold growing in them somewhere. The MTA does NOTHING to get rid of the toxic black mold.
Now this is where I can blame the MTA. Some of the stations are disgusting. The beautiful tile work is clearly neglected and I believe the mold is making us sick. They do the bare essentials of keeping the stations clean.
I can somehwat agree with that 1nevets, and the new MTA head has acknowledged this. They typically minimally (at best) maintain stations, and then do a giant renovation, and then back to minimum maintenance. The new head said he is changing this practice to do more short term upgrades that improve the stations and maintain them better instead of just waiting for the major overhauls.
...Although that's off-topic as far as this thread goes.
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