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Being that both New York and San Franciso are viewed as liberal cities has anyone been able to visit both to compare each city's liberal climate? I mean both cities have a history of attracting liberal/avant-garde types to them.
As far as differences and similarities. Do issues like poverty reduction and race play themselves out differently in both cities? Are there things that would be accepted in one city but not in the other even though both are liberal? Is New York in some ways more conservative than SF?
Obviously, the liberalism in San Francisco is more genuine than that of NY. In this city we have a whole of bunch of diverse agitation groups, but most of the time stay within their own camps.
In SanFran the hippies, commies, gays, blacks, jews, asians freely join each others causes. I'm not sure about now, but California in general provides more services to the needy and poor. Maybe it was downgraded due to the very bad economy. But I would say NYC is more multicultural and has a libertarian streak, where the social engineering isn't that excessive.
New York, not that liberal? NYC is very liberal. No other city offers as many "programs" as NYC.
You're right about the "programs" but NY hasn't elected a Democrat mayor since 1990.Guiliani and Bloomberg were both Republicans.The last Republican mayor in Boston was 1926 and SF was in the 1960's.
I wasn't implying that NYC is a conservative place,just that it is very middle of the road and corporate when compared to SF,Boston,Berkeley or Cambridge.
So Guiliani couldn't have gotten elected mayor in San Francisco?
I doubt it.What do you think ?
I know for sure he would never have gotten elected in Boston.It is virtually impossible for a Republican to be elected in Boston.
As much as I love NYC, it is more limousine liberal than SF. NYC's business and immigrant bases temper the liberalism. So yes, we have many programs and a general "live and let live" attitude, but not the green-crunchy liberalism of SF. Yes, Bloomberg pushed through the ban on transfats because there was science behind the danger, but no way would NYers stand for SF's Happy Meal ban.
As I see it, NYers care more about law and order than free to be you and me. It's the reverse in SF. For example, whenever I'm visiting my family in SF, I'm shocked by the aggressiveness of the homeless people there. That would not fly in NY.
That's true. I'm from San Francisco and that city takes the live and let live attitude to the extreme.
The hostile homeless basically run certain sections of the city and nothing is ever done about it. Homeless aggression when you refuse to give them spare change, homeless sleeping on my doorstep and once a homeless deficating on my driveway.
And no, SF would never elect a Guiliani.
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