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Old 08-16-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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And we've never had any issues with the representation of Blacks in the US? How well are Blacks represented at the top levels of society, and media?

Yes, there is racism and marginalization of Blacks in Latin America. But you have that in the US as well. It seems you have a specific ax to grind, a specific hatred of Latin Americans.

Here is the difference. In the USA there is wide spread discussion of racism (past and present) and its impact on non whites. In Latin America there is wide spread denial that racism exists, or that there ought to be discussion about how to resolve its impacts.

And indeed when the topic is brought up, the reaaction is like yours. Accusations about "importing US style racism", or "hating Latin America". This while in a majority non white city like Rio the elites are almost exclusively white, and the favelas are populated mainly by darker skinned people.
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Old 08-16-2013, 07:36 PM
 
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Here is the difference. In the USA there is wide spread discussion of racism (past and present) and its impact on non whites. In Latin America there is wide spread denial that racism exists, or that there ought to be discussion about how to resolve its impacts.

And indeed when the topic is brought up, the reaaction is like yours. Accusations about "importing US style racism", or "hating Latin America". This while in a majority non white city like Rio the elites are almost exclusively white, and the favelas are populated mainly by darker skinned people.
No, there is discussion on the effects of racism in Latin America, on the marginalization and effects it has on people.

You're a racist here, harboring anti Latin sentiments. You broadly paint all of Latin AMerica and all latinos with a huge broad brush.

Yes, the majority of poor in many Latin countries are non white, while the majority of wealthy are white (not that you don't have white poor, but the people at the top certainly tend to be white for historical reasons). But we certainly have this in the US. We have this in NY. Bloomberg and top NYC officials denied stop and frisk is racist, and the matter had to be taken to federal court to be declared unconstitutional.

But back to Latin America, Evo Morales, president of Bolivia is Native. As far as Brazil goes, affirmative action policies there mandate that universities be 25%-40% black. So if they have affirmative action there, quite clearly they had a discussion on how educated people there tend to be WHITE and they were acting to remedy this problem.

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Old 11-03-2013, 02:10 AM
 
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I'm curious. Is Irene Cara considered black? She is of Puerto Rican and Cuban descent and the majority of her acting roles have been of a black female. On the other hand Rashida Jones (Quincy's daughter) is African American but has never played a role that identified her as black. Has America changed and looking white makes you white. Are the days of "passing" long gone?
Irene Cara does not look white. She looks black. Her skin is brown. And, yes, she is black. She is a black Puerto Rican.
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Old 11-03-2013, 07:21 AM
 
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She is PR and Cuban, however being those 2 does not constitute a racial composition, just ethnicity. She is simply mixed or multiracial, and looks more like Soledad O'Brien who is also mixed, than simply a black woman.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:40 AM
 
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Irene Cara does not look white. She looks black. Her skin is brown. And, yes, she is black. She is a black Puerto Rican.
Irene Cara is mixed. She looks like a mulatta. She is half Puerto Rican and half Cuban.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:41 AM
 
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She is PR and Cuban, however being those 2 does not constitute a racial composition, just ethnicity. She is simply mixed or multiracial, and looks more like Soledad O'Brien who is also mixed, than simply a black woman.
True!

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Old 11-04-2013, 02:42 AM
 
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An interesting comment from elsewhere:

"Here is a controversial topic. Afro-Latinos. Many equate it to Black Latinos. Others see it as Latino Afrodescendientes of all looks. For me, as Latino is an ethnic term, Afro-Latino is such as well. A Latino who has strong African ties in his culture/heritage. Not all Latino Afrodescendientes are Afro-Latino. Many have been completely absorbed by the mainstream. But here is a consideration, many Latinos that are not Afrodescendientes, especially in places like Cuba, adopted African practices, like Santeria, or joining societies like Abakuá and Ékpè. We could argue that many are Afro-Latinos as well. Their culture and identity is definitely Latino with heavy African overtones."
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Old 11-04-2013, 04:09 PM
 
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And we've never had any issues with the representation of Blacks in the US? How well are Blacks represented at the top levels of society, and media?

Yes, there is racism and marginalization of Blacks in Latin America. But you have that in the US as well. It seems you have a specific ax to grind, a specific hatred of Latin Americans.

US Americans openly discuss racism and its impacts on its history. Latin Americans DENY the existence of racism. Furthermore they rant that any discussion of the under representation of the people of color is in itself racist, so squash the topic and demonize those who continue.

Yet there is MORE under representation of blacks in their media. Any idea if there is a Kerry Washington on Globo playing a similar role?
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Old 11-04-2013, 04:13 PM
 
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But the names don't really matter and all, and you're getting far too hung up on it . "Mulato oscuros" have no privilege in the DR . The top people are WHITE . At universities in the US, if you see Latin students there, the ones who are the children of dark skinned immigrants (those qualifying for financial aid) had obvious African and/or Native features. The ones wealthy enough to come to the US to directly enroll in Harvard, Cornell, etc are OUTRIGHT WHITE.

And actually a mulato oscuro is saying a dark skinned mixed race person. That doesn't sound like they are denying having African heritage at all. Again, this is your ax to grind. Why? Why would you care what they call themselves and why are you going at it with such venom?

And by the way, do you speak for all Dominicans who are Denzel's color? Some do call themselves Black. The very definition of racism and prejudice is when you stop looking at people as individuals and categorically say ALL people who are X are like this!

Like I said I do not care what people call themselves and you need to stop pretending that I do. What I make note of is the pretense by Latin Americans that racism isnt an issue. Their attempt to pretend that the high degree of mixing is evidence of it (you point out tyhat mulato oscuros are little better off than the morenos/negros). And their denigration of AAs who have made far more progress in reducing the disparities caused by historic racism than equivalent groups have made in most parts of latin America.

And oh yes there is a notion that any light skinned person can be considered white, but yet they jump all over nominally mixed race African Americans/West Indians who self identify as black.
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Old 11-04-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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Colombia's most accomplished musician, and certainly up there among it's most famous was Black. Joe Arroyo. From everything I've seen they seem pretty proud of him.

Oh yes as many Americans were of Sammy Davis in the 50s. Would be more interested if you cited a black/mulato media mogul. We have plenty in the USA.
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