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This is the reality of multicultural society, its not like television and what you are seeing is a bi-product of the lack of a cultural or moral standard on a city bus, in order for something like "considerate" by your standard to happen, you have to be surrounded by people who share this standard, but you are dealing with people from all over the world who have varying standards of what is considerate that do not match yours, so usually it goes to the lowest common denominator, which is no consideration at all on a city bus. Are you surprised by this?
Where I was raised, men were supposed to give up their seats to women, hold and open doors for us, and always let us go first (Hence the term, Ladies first...) And we were required to smile and say "Thank you". This also applies to the elderly. I have yet to see this gentlemanly behavior in NYC except for limo drivers and things of that nature.
To answer your question, yes I was and still am surprised by the culture shock. I know NYC is full of immigrants but I think that if they want to come to America they would make some effort to assimilate to our culture.
Interesting observations, and I think that part of it is neighborhood related as I generally see orderly cues for the bus in Manhattan, Riverdale, Brooklyn Heights, Park Slope, and areas in Queens like Bayside. Express bus riders also tend to be more considerate, as well, at least in my experience. There is a lack of decorum that I have witnessed on the subway, which is similar to what 1nevets witnessed on the bus. I will still defer to ladies, the elderly, and others who might need a few seconds extra, etc., even if I am among the last in the city to do so. The local bus and the subway do tend to rank among the less considerate, in terms of ridership, that I have personally experienced, though it is refreshing that not everyone acts similarly.
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Anyone that asks whether this is native to NYers has never lived outside of the 5 boroughs, because NYC could not function in any way without order and laws...there are just too many people and it would all come to a grinding halt.
This type of behavior is HUMAN behavior, and we are trained by society to be orderly..so you will find it everywhere, especially out in the suburbs. Anyone who believes it doesn't happen in the suburbs never leaves their cars long enough to interact with people. I have never been more terrified and shocked than when I venture out to middle America...and those who have spent time in middle America would agree.
Considering we have every country and their cultures represented in tightly packed trains, buses, streets, etc., we all get along quite well..moreso than the homogenized white washed Middle America in fact...why is that? You pack 8 million middle Americans on the 6 train and watch all hell break loose, especially since 50% will have a gun (legally) and will demand their space.
Actually I find people in "Middle America"/Pa,NC to be more courteous, especially the drivers.
SpeltCrystal..and when lots of men were raised, men were supposed to give up their seats, hold the door open for women, and pull their chairs out for them at the table etc, but the flip side is, men also expected women to be compliant and submissive, stay home with the kids, and cater to them.
So if you want things the "old" way like you were raised, you can have that, but don't expect to be treated like an equal, and be totally submissive to your husband/men. Or you can hold the door open for yourself, be treated like an equal, and be independent. EVERYONE should have common courtesy, and I am not clear why a man who works 8 hours a day in construction outside, should give up his seat to a woman who sit for 8 hours a day as an admin. Because you are a woman you get special benefits afforded to you by men? So as a man I get special benefits afforded to me by women..i.e. control and domination. Sounds good to me! Let's do things your way!
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Interesting observations, and I think that part of it is neighborhood related as I generally see orderly cues for the bus in Manhattan, Riverdale, Brooklyn Heights, Park Slope, and areas in Queens like Bayside. Express bus riders also tend to be more considerate, as well, at least in my experience. There is a lack of decorum that I have witnessed on the subway, which is similar to what 1nevets witnessed on the bus. I will still defer to ladies, the elderly, and others who might need a few seconds extra, etc., even if I am among the last in the city to do so. The local bus and the subway do tend to rank among the less considerate, in terms of ridership, that I have personally experienced, though it is refreshing that not everyone acts similarly.
I have noticed a couple express bus stops where people wait on lines. Normal buses though - every man/woman (pregnant, elderly or otherwise) for themselves.
Unfortunately this kind of behavior is commonplace and generally accepted in NYC. NYers act like they are in their own little world sometimes, it gets to the point when it gets highly irritating. I too have had terrible experiences using the little deathtraps known as the NYC subway and buses.
On the buses or subway NO MAN offers to give up his seat for an elderly person or a woman when they are no seats left. This one man quickly got in the last seat while a pregnant woman was left to stand on the bus. Talk about inconsiderate. There is no consideration for the disabled as they will quickly scramble onto the bus like wild zoo animals. I was knocked down, pushed violently, and cursed at while trying to board on the bus by other passengers. The men in NYC have no respect for woman whatsoever. Even the bus driver gave me attitude for just asking questions while he continued to blast loud, annoying reggae Jamaican music on the bus and looking up my shirt at the same time. He also had the nerve to eat on the bus while driving and I had to smell his repulsive Jamaican food all the while on the bus. Not a good experience.
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Ive seen men(myself included) go completely out their way to give their seat to the ederly,small children and pregnant woman
And i've never seen a MTA bus driver eat while driving a bus or blast music. Stop your lies
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In Boston i noticed ppl let ppl get off the trains and buses before they board and ppl give up there seats to females and elderly. Down in this region it seems no one cares....
Where I was raised, men were supposed to give up their seats to women, hold and open doors for us, and always let us go first (Hence the term, Ladies first...) And we were required to smile and say "Thank you". This also applies to the elderly. I have yet to see this gentlemanly behavior in NYC except for limo drivers and things of that nature.
Really? wow!! In the last month alone while up in East Harlem, I've had 3 different men extend their hand to me while I was attempting to schlep through the snow/ice.
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