NYC accent (does it disappear?) (New York, Boston: to live in, moving, transport)

[1nevets]

Originally Posted by GeorgeSI

wait so you are not black?

Not the last time I looked. Polish, Italian and English but I have full lips so a DNA test might detect something else.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by 1nevets

I agree that black New Yorkers sound different from Southern blacks but their speech patterns have a tendency to be the same. Also, black New Yorkers have picked up some pronunciations that are clearly the New York accent. Great ex. Long Island. Black New Yorkers say "Lawn Allan" which is similar to our "Lawn Guyland."

I think that has more to do with the non-rhotic speech patterns that migrated from the south along with the waves of migrant blacks (the south used to be much more non-rhotic than it is now) than an adaptation of New York speech patterns. Even in Chicago, where whites speak with one of the most rhotic accents in the English-speaking world, blacks still speak with a non-rhotic accent. The front of a white Chicagoan's house has a porrrrch. A black Chicagoan's house, on the other hand, has a po-utch.

[1nevets]

Originally Posted by Drover

I think that has more to do with the non-rhotic speech patterns that migrated from the south along with the waves of migrant blacks (the south used to be much more non-rhotic than it is now) than an adaptation of New York speech patterns. Even in Chicago, where whites speak with one of the most rhotic accents in the English-speaking world, blacks still speak with a non-rhotic accent. The front of a white Chicagoan's house has a porrrrch. A black Chicagoan's house, on the other hand, has a po-utch.

Well, I tried to find a common thread between our accents. Maybe you can help. KONY refuses to post anything that will corroborate his statement that Black New Yorkers have an accent that has more in common with the New York accent than the Southern accent. Maybe you can post something to legitimize this statement. Because one makes a statement doesn't make it so.

[Drover]

Well I'm not going to dig up any scholarly papers on it or anything, but from my own perception I can distinguish a typical black New Yorker from a typical white New Yorker by the way the speak. It's not politically correct to say that and it's bound to get some people's hackles up, but oh well.

I do think blacks and whites in New York sound more alike than in any other northern city because the accents are related. In the upper Midwest the differences in accents/pronunciations between black and white are quite stark.

[1nevets]

Originally Posted by Drover

Well I'm not going to dig up any scholarly papers on it or anything, but from my own perception I can distinguish a typical black New Yorker from a typical white New Yorker by the way the speak. It's not politically correct to say that and it's bound to get some people's hackles up, but oh well.

I do think blacks and whites in New York sound more alike than in any other northern city because the accents are related. In the upper Midwest the differences in accents/pronunciations between black and white are quite stark.

I don't agree with that statement if you include Canadian cities. Blacks and whites there sound exactly the same with the exception of Nova Scotia and immigrant blacks.

I agree certain things like cutting off the end of words is common in both AAVE and the many N. Eastern accents.

To say White New Yorkers and Black New Yorkers sound more alike as compared to Black New Yorkers sounding nothing like Southern blacks is a laugh.

[K.O.N.Y]

Originally Posted by 1nevets

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To say White New Yorkers and Black New Yorkers sound more alike as compared to Black New Yorkers sounding nothing like Southern blacks is a laugh.

whoever said this

[Origin of Symmetry]

Here's the right way of saying the words 'park' and 'dark'.

Here's the right way of saying the word 'here'.

An ideal non-rhotic pronunciation imo.

[Origin of Symmetry]

Originally Posted by 1nevets

Another article about the differences between AAVE and the traditional NY accent.
Linguistics 201: The Dialects of American English

Here's the quote off of that article.
Unlike many other American regional dialects, New England speech was not affected significantly by any non-English language.

That's why I like it.

[nei]

Originally Posted by Origin of Symmetry

Here's the right way of saying the words
'park' and 'dark'.

Here's the right way of saying the word
'here'.

An ideal non-rhotic pronunciation imo.

The Beatles dialect, Merseyside, is a bit stigmatized in England. They don't have the strongest of Mersyside accents but it is definitely different from "standard" British English. Hard to hear when they sing.

[Origin of Symmetry]

Originally Posted by nei

The Beatles dialect, Merseyside, is a bit stigmatized in England. They don't have the strongest of Mersyside accents but it is definitely different from "standard" British English. Hard to hear when they sing.

Yeah, I know they sound a bit nasal when they speak. I only meant their attitude towards the R letter.