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Old 03-19-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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I think theres always been a problem in the black community with crime, things will never change
There were major crime issues with the Irish and Italian communities in NYC when they first came to the USA. At one time, Italian-Americans had a higher murder rate than African-Americans. Why is it that it is changing for Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans and changing less for African-Americans?
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Old 03-19-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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There were major crime issues with the Irish and Italian communities in NYC when they first came to the USA. At one time, Italian-Americans had a higher murder rate than African-Americans. Why is it that it is changing for Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans and changing less for African-Americans?
Because there was never as much government intervention intended to remedy things among the Irish and Italians as it was for Blacks.
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Old 03-19-2011, 03:04 PM
 
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Because there was never as much government intervention intended to remedy things among the Irish and Italians as it was for Blacks.
So you might argue that letting things take its course would help the African-American murder rate to drop? I'm just wondering.
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:09 PM
 
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It's the Black hip hop ghetto urban culture and lifestyle that contributes to these black on black crimes. Generally speaking, every uneducated black person especially the young bucks all wanna be the tough guy, the hustle, the one not to be messed it, trying to keep it "real"....real dumb that is. Educated blacks who don't associate with other urban black people don't resort to that kind of mentality and behavior. The culture is a cancer to their development. Remove the urban ghetto culture and black people should be better off.
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Old 03-19-2011, 10:48 PM
 
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So you might argue that letting things take its course would help the African-American murder rate to drop? I'm just wondering.
In a sense, yes. I believe that the government should have ensured our basic rights and liberties (outlawing Jim Crow in the South, redlining, blockbusting, etc.), but I don't think that forced integration and much of what came afterward (concentrated public housing, liberalizing welfare laws, etc.) was an entirely healthy thing--at least the way it was carried out.
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Old 03-20-2011, 11:44 AM
 
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In a sense, yes. I believe that the government should have ensured our basic rights and liberties (outlawing Jim Crow in the South, redlining, blockbusting, etc.), but I don't think that forced integration and much of what came afterward (concentrated public housing, liberalizing welfare laws, etc.) was an entirely healthy thing--at least the way it was carried out.
What did forced integration and other things have to do with the murder rate?
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:07 PM
 
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@ hairsprays comment that was right on the money and thats the issue that many people fail to realize. Because even the black people that are middle- to upper class in many cases are right next to low-income high crime black areas so they are exposed to that culture and end up messing up as well when they had no reason to. We see this all over NYC with flatbush and the other side of flatbush, Canarcie has two sides, St. Albans, Cambria Heights, Laurelton are all next to Springfield Gardens or Southside and so forth and so on...

Eliminate the hood factor from the middle class neighborhoods and you will see that black crime will limit itself to strictly an economic issue and nothing else...
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:50 PM
 
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I think theres always been a problem in the black community with crime, things will never change
I think the problem with crime with POOR blacks in something that started in the 70's.

It's not the entire black community.
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:52 PM
 
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It's the Black hip hop ghetto urban culture and lifestyle that contributes to these black on black crimes. Generally speaking, every uneducated black person especially the young bucks all wanna be the tough guy, the hustle, the one not to be messed it, trying to keep it "real"....real dumb that is. Educated blacks who don't associate with other urban black people don't resort to that kind of mentality and behavior. The culture is a cancer to their development. Remove the urban ghetto culture and black people should be better off.
Damn,

you've made more sense than anyone in this entire thread.

I have to agree 100%.
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Old 03-20-2011, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Newark, NJ/BK
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Damn,

you've made more sense than anyone in this entire thread.

I have to agree 100%.
Except for the part where this stuff existed BEFORE hip-hop came around.
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