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Old 06-30-2011, 06:51 PM
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I don't have enough kitchen cabinets. LL won't install more saying tenant has to purchase and install cabinets.

Fine I'll do this but how do you work out the legalities? Of course whenever it comes time to move I don't want the LL to benefit since he didn't put a cent into them. Of course I'd rather not take them with me whenever I move.

So, do I get some sort contract made up for this? Is the cost somehow deducted from my rent? Or will I just have to eventually remove them and take them with me upon moving?

How do you handle improvements made by the tenant in a regular old apartment?
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:37 PM
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never improve someone elses place. IF in your case you have to your LL is most likely NOT going to give you a break. IF anything he will charge you or deduct from your security deposit when you leave for alerting HIS apt. Maybe you can get something with shelves and storage on the bottom from bed bath beyond on wheels that you can either take or sell when you leave.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:38 PM
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Like most NYC apartments my apartment is very small. I have no other choice but to add cabinets since other areas are needed for other things. I already planned to get extra shelving for other things. This isn't a full kitchen, it's a kitchenette.

The LL doesn't mind if cabinets are added since it won't be at his cost.

If I'm not given any credit or a contract regarding this then I'll just have to have them added then rip the damn things out of the walls when I leave.

I need a functioning apartment and this would be cheaper than moving since I like the area I live.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:42 PM
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I would not rip them out when you leave. for two reasons you can hurt yourself and end up paying for damages.

Also, just so you know a lot of cabinet companies are going to ask for a letter of permission to put cabinets in your kitchen. I would make sure you get this approval in writing from you LL you never know he can say look I am not giving you back your security because i never approved the cabinets. just cover your azz i hate to see you have to fight for your money and then have to invest xo and good luck
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:56 PM
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Thanks for the look out 30STM.

LOL I didn't mean literally that I was going to rip them out. LMAO

No, I wouldn't leave any damages to the apartment and I would put everything back as it was when I moved in.

Now getting something in writing from management is a good idea and I'll do just that.

As for the cabinets I plan to just order some from Lowe's and pay someone to put them in now and later take them out when I move. Even if upon taking them out I need to replace dry wall and paint I will pay for it.
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:19 PM
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sounds good but, try not to spend to much and honey just leave them up may cost you MORE to remove. that just my opinion. I feel for you with the kitchen. I just had a friend build up my kitchen so i would have more storage. he was a house guest living for free so he did it for me in return and it turned out nice.
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Old 07-01-2011, 06:22 AM
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Go with vinyl covered presswood, read cheap, and plan on leaving them when you leave. They will probably be of no use to you in a new place.
Get your landlord's permission in writing, like 30STM recommends.

Now, if you have a rent stabilized place and it is likely you may stay on for years, put in something nicer.

I put up a whole wall of shelves on a long kitchen wall, 11 feet worth, and landlord made me take them down when I left (even though any next tenant would have LOVED them. I was careful and the million drywall screwholes could be covered with spackling so no charge when I left...but a lot of work both going up and coming down.
But it was worth it because I stayed for 20+ years.
So that time estimate is important.

Beware, kitchen cabinetry can be quite pricey!
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Old 07-01-2011, 11:05 AM
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It is typical in Europe for tennants to install (and uninstall) their own cabinets. They're like furniture. You put em up and take em with you. They are really not that difficult to install/ uninstall, if you have a little knowledge and some (wo)manpower. ladder/studfinder/level/drill/screws. Using a level draw the line where you want the bottom of the cabinet, find the studs in the wall and mark them, screw in a twoxfour just under that line so you create a little ledge for yourself, you and friend lift the cabinet so the back lip rests on your twoxfour 'ledge', have the friend hold it while you screw the cabinet into the studs,once secore remove the twoxfour. When you move out, reverse the process. It's not hard.
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Old 07-01-2011, 05:52 PM
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I've already priced the cabinets I'll buy, they match the one put in by the LL.

No, no way I'm leaving those cabinets when I leave. Ain't no @#$#$! damn way the cheap a$$ LL is going to benefit from anything I do. Even if it cost me more I will take them out! You just don't know how much I've put up with in dealing w/ them. I'm in no position to move at the moment but I relish the day I'm able and it will be in the warm climate of the U.S. away from these pain in the butts LLs of NYC.

And after I take them out if I'm unable to sell them then I'll donate the damn things but the LL won't prosper in the least from them.
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:16 PM
Location: Brooklyn New York
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If you plan on living there for a few years, me personally, I would put more cabinets in and make your life easier, happier........and when the time comes to move, should it...by that time, think about it, it's only a few cabinets, don't even make yourself crazy, just leave them....it would probably be more trouble than it is worth too then have to remove them....

I know, I get the part about the LL getting them, but in reality, he isn't living in the apartment anyway......

it is only cabinets, don't make yourself crazy.......
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