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Really? Thugs are a byproduct of being poor? Garfield, Nj is relatively low income. Yet, it is one of the safest towns in America.
Also, They don't all go down south or PA. They also move to poorer parts of the city. They will just moved to Queens, Staten Island or South Bronx.
They don't just up and leave NY. A good deal of them stay.
We're talking about NY not NJ but what's the racial demographics of Garfield, NJ? I don't know that area to speak on it.
Really? Thugs are a byproduct of being poor? Garfield, Nj is relatively low income. Yet, it is one of the safest towns in America.
Not all poor people are thugs, I agree with that. Just look at the state of West Virginia, very poor, but one of the safest states in the nation. Being poor does not equal being ghetto.
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Also, They don't all go down south or PA. They also move to poorer parts of the city. They will just moved to Queens, Staten Island or South Bronx.
They don't just up and leave NY. A good deal of them stay.
Manchester, Ct has some poor parts of the town where a bunch of poor people are cluttered together. Most of them are Minorities too. But, crime is almost Non-Existent in that town.
Wealthy areas have crime too.
For Example:
South Orange, Nj
It's a somewhat wealthy town in Essex county NJ. It's mostly white too. But it has more Crime them some of the poorer suburbs near it.
Also, the neighborhoods were arleady poor and ugly when the "ghettos" moved in. Most of them used to be Jewish or Italian areas where the Mob ran about. Don't act like everything was okay before.
And South Orange's crime rate isn't that high. And it definitely isn't higher than Orange or East Orange (they are the only ones that could realistically be considered "poorer". Most of the other towns still have a fairly high income, even if it isn't quite as high as South Orange. At that point, you're just splitting hairs, and South Orange's crime rate could be more due to its proximity to Orange/East Orange than any other factor)
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Really? Thugs are a byproduct of being poor? Garfield, Nj is relatively low income. Yet, it is one of the safest towns in America.
In any case, I'll agree with you that under the right circumstances, poor areas aren't always dangerous.
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You will only see a few black areas but it does have a growing Hispanic population that is sizable. The rest is white. Garfield is really diverse.
Garfield is too small to have any "black areas". They are just mixed throughout the town. It only really has one "Hispanic area" by the southern end of the town, and the rest are just mixed in with the Whites.
So Garfield is diverse both wholistically and looking at the individual areas (unlike NYC, which is diverse wholistically, but is relatively segregated when looking at the individual neighborhoods)
Yeah I looked up Garfield earlier and that isn't a poor area. The average median income is higher then my area.
So Garfield NJ isn't poor and doesn't have thugs roaming the street like areas of the Bronx and Brooklyn. So I stand by my earlier statement of displacing these thugs elsewhere where they wont effect the quality of life of NYers
And South Orange's crime rate isn't that high. And it definitely isn't higher than Orange or East Orange (they are the only ones that could realistically be considered "poorer". Most of the other towns still have a fairly high income, even if it isn't quite as high as South Orange. At that point, you're just splitting hairs, and South Orange's crime rate could be more due to its proximity to Orange/East Orange than any other factor)
In any case, I'll agree with you that under the right circumstances, poor areas aren't always dangerous.
Garfield is too small to have any "black areas". They are just mixed throughout the town. It only really has one "Hispanic area" by the southern end of the town, and the rest are just mixed in with the Whites.
So Garfield is diverse both wholistically and looking at the individual areas (unlike NYC, which is diverse wholistically, but is relatively segregated when looking at the individual neighborhoods)
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Yeah I looked up Garfield earlier and that isn't a poor area. The average median income is higher then my area.
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So Garfield NJ isn't poor and doesn't have thugs roaming the street like areas of the Bronx and Brooklyn. So I stand by my earlier statement of displacing these thugs elsewhere where they wont effect the quality of life of NYers
I never said South Oranges crime rate was high. I said that it has more crime than some of the poorer suburbs in Nj.
That whole neighborhood is not poor in Manchester. Matter of fact, I don't even recall using the word "Poor". I said Low income. Poor would mostly describe thos below the poverty line. You don't have to be below the poverty line to be Low of income.Anyways, Part of Spruce, Pearl, and Bissel and a few other places are what i'm talking about. All the "poor" people, as you would say it, live close together. Of course this neighborhood has Middle class in it. But, it also has more low income residents than any other part of town.
Eh, it's only a little bit higher than the state of NJ's poverty rate. It's not like it's double or triple the poverty rate.
In any case, I guess you could compare Garfield to Irvington. The median income is $43,942 in Irvington vs. $50,635 in Garfield, and yet the crime rate is almost 6 times as much in Irvington despite having only a marginally lower income.
I mean, I agree with you that income isn't always the determining factor in the safety of an area, but I just don't think you're using the best examples (other than the West Virginia example).
Actually, I remember reading an article about a school in rural Kansas which had an extremely high poverty rate and low income among the students, and yet it had very few problems because the environment was very different than a comparable school in an urban area, so the same thing applies to crime: Other factors also have an effect.
The difference is when hood people try to "preserve" their communities (ie. do things to make their neighborhood seem as unsafe as possible), they are considered by the status quo as fighting on the side of justice.
If you are someone from a middle class community and you do what it takes to drive off the mobs of thugs invading, you are considered a RACIST.
The middle class has been rendered defenseless from all sides. Ghettofication has destroyed more culture by turning things only black or Afro-Caribbean instead of the multitude of ethnicities that used to thrive in the city. The city is surrounded by hoods in Harlem, Bronx, Jamaica, ENY, and a big soulless, commercial center for Wall Street types. Everyone else is being squeezed out.
I am by no means a person of means, but I sure do understand what you mean.
I moved from San Francisco to Orlando 3 years ago. San Francisco has been making nationwide headlines for "gentrification", which is a very racist term as it is never applied to wealthy black people moving in to formerly blue-collar neighborhoods. I left my community if the Sunset District, where I lived for 23 years, after watching it decline from the predominately Asian neighborhood that it was when I moved in to a haven for Homies. The neighborhood had once been all European-American and still had a significant minority of European-Americans, especially Irish; and the mostly Chinese population did take good care of the property in the neibhborhood. Sadly the black population moving in did not care. This was frustrating because many were coming from bad neighborhoods and should have been glad to be coming into what had been a clean and quiet one. I would not want to go back to my old neighborhood now.
The same allegations of "gentrification" have been made here in Orlando but to a much smaller degree than in San Francisco. No, as a matter of fact, we cannot all get along. Unfortunately practically every ethnic groups seems to hate everybody else. However, it is liberal cities which have the most racial tensions. I am seeing better manners on average among the black people here in Orlando and haven't had problems with my black neighbors.
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Gentrification vs. Ghettofication
