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Old 07-19-2011, 09:50 PM
 
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Hello,

It is aximoatic that in New York City and Manhattan, Especially, professionals such as Doctors, Lawyers, Investment Bankers,Management consultants, etc have more status than blue collar workers or small business owners.

However, it is the case that:

1. Some professionals are either socially destructive (lawyers that harm their clients, malpractice doctors and some bad executives).

2. I thought that the reason why such professionals have such status is because they make much money. However,

A. Some professionals such as lawyers are deeply in condo or school debt and don't make that much (only 40,000 a year for some solo lawyers above porn dvd shops).

B. I know of the following people who are blue collar or other occupations that are very wealthy:

A.My father;s co worker, who was a blue collar union worker in the Bronx began 30 years ago buying and fixing up houses and buying and selling cars seized from drug dealers and sold at auctions. He became a multimillionaire.

B. There is a weird geeky guy I know of through a friend who makes 400,000 a year trading sci fci memorbilia and New York Memorbilia (old pieces of subway cars on Ebay)

C. I personally know a real live day trader who has by being on the right side of the crash made 500,000 a year.

D. There are many 1 dollar pizza and subway shops run by immigrant entrepreneurs with long long lines who may gross as much as 30,000 a week.

However, a blue collar guy who happened to become rich in his spare time, a star trek geek or day trader who somehow actually managed to make real live mid six figure suff and an immigrant entrepreneur will have lower status at cocktail parties and for dating, despite the fact that they managed to make more wealth than many professionals will still be treated as being of lower status than a glass tower corporate guy making 90,000 a year.

My main question is,why is it that someone who succeeds as a wealthy blue collar entrepreneur (like a chain of plumbing trucks or a union worker buying houses in his spare time) or even in an occupation filled with 98 percent losers (like a 1 in a 100,000 million dollar day trader) treated with less respect than an ivy league professional when making money as a indpedent blue collar entrepreneur, Ebay Seller, or day trader actually requires just as much or even more intelligent, drive and independence as a typical suit and tie guy?

Thanks
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:05 PM
 
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OK? I suppose you mean the whole old money vs new money socialite issue. Businesses don't care, potential clients don't care, and probably the only one who would care would be old money. Why? I wouldn't know, I'm not rich, and I doubt most people here are. Maybe because old money is pretty secure in their status of being wealthy, while new money has to maintain their wealth and make gestures to show that they should socially be equals with old money.

Though not directly related, you see a bit of this play out with Nazi officers, who in kissing up to Hitler, an artist, surrounded themselves with stolen works of art in order to obfuscate class and culture. Did they really understand the works? No, but the possession of was in their mind, enough to define them as dignified. Same deal with new money, who will rush to show the vastness of their wealth with tacky visual manifestations of their new found power, and the rushing off of their kids to various nannies in order to become 5 language polyglots, simply because that's what they think rich people should do.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:58 PM
 
Location: London
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A blue-collar worker who gets vocally upset about not having whatever "prestige" doctors and lawyers supposedly have, and flaunts whatever six-figure salary he makes as proof that he's "just as good" or whatever has a serious inferiority complex, IMO...
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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ddh,

A very thoughtful post.

To stevechang:
It's all in the head. If a clever plumbing executive feels like a plumber's assistant that will define his life. If a moron is born inheriting a half billion, that will be the life of Donald Trump.
The secret is for the plumber to feel BETTER about himself than anyone who inherited his fortune but still remains a dweeb.

It's all INSIDE!
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Old 07-21-2011, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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Hello,

It is aximoatic that in New York City and Manhattan, Especially, professionals such as Doctors, Lawyers, Investment Bankers,Management consultants, etc have more status than blue collar workers or small business owners. .....
Says who ?

I don't believe this is the case. I think your whole argument is fatally flawed by a false underlying premise.

Now,if you argued that extremely good looking people( of any occupation)have more status than average looking people I might believe you.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Austin
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My main question is,why is it that someone who succeeds as a wealthy blue collar entrepreneur.... treated with less respect than an ivy league professional when making money as a indpedent [sic] blue collar entrepreneur... requires just as much or even more... as a typical suit and tie guy?
Some people "respect" another for his/her social status, which has little to do with real respect or the person's actual accomplishments. Superficial respect isn't worth much.

Last edited by texan2yankee; 07-21-2011 at 07:32 AM..
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:55 AM
 
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My main question is,why is it that someone who succeeds as a wealthy blue collar entrepreneur (like a chain of plumbing trucks or a union worker buying houses in his spare time) or even in an occupation filled with 98 percent losers (like a 1 in a 100,000 million dollar day trader) treated with less respect than an ivy league professional when making money as a indpedent blue collar entrepreneur, Ebay Seller, or day trader actually requires just as much or even more intelligent, drive and independence as a typical suit and tie guy?
Who is disrespecting them? If someone is behaving appropriately and is a good member of society, I usually don't even notice what money they make. The wealthiest people (by money and integrity) aren't always the ones in Gucci and Louis Vuitton.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:40 AM
 
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Money is money. It seems that you have some, but wonder why people or specifically hot girls won't suck up to you. The main issue is you need to define your own self worth, confidence exudes from within. Also, you're seeking approval from the wrong crowd. You should feel blessed that you're not worrying about money in this **** economy, your worries are about vanity.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Texas
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2. I thought that the reason why such professionals have such status is because they make much money.

Well, that was the wrong assumption then, eh? Because sounds to me it's more education, etc, that is being respected.
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:17 AM
 
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Well, compare the woman on the arm of a good looking intelligent man with the woman on the arm of a homely dumb billionaire and you will see what confers status in a capitalist society.

Good looks and intelligence won't buy one the mayoralty of the largest city in the U.S. but $billions will.
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