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Old 09-24-2011, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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The bad parts of brooklyn are just as bad if not worse than their bronx counterparts and some of the people who rep brooklyn the most do it in celebration of negative reasons, lol.
True, but you could say the same with The Bronx, or any other major place/city that has a high ghetto population [Compton, Philidelphia, Camden, Detroit, Chicago etc.]
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Old 09-24-2011, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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True, but you could say the same with The Bronx, or any other major place/city that has a high ghetto population [Compton, Philidelphia, Camden, Detroit, Chicago etc.]
Both Bronx and Brooklyn are have ghetto sentiments and much of its people of both boroughs adhire to ghetto senseabilities including white natives too! Hell I'm friends with a Asian American chick from Bedstuy she is one of the most ghettoest people of a none AA or Hispanic background I ever met. I wanted to smash that too but bringing a ghetto Asian girl back and forth from Bedstuy to Mott Haven would wow and woe alot of homies!

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Old 09-24-2011, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NYC
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Brooklyn and The Bronx are like oil and water, they don't mix. It's always been this way. . . . .

This was a really good interpretation.
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Old 09-24-2011, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Brooklyn and The Bronx are like oil and water, they don't mix. It's always been this way.

One reason is that Staten Island aside, which is totally separate and apart, The Bronx and Brooklyn are the two most geographically distant boroughs. Just as a matter of time and distance, residents of the two boroughs rarely mix.

Second is the basic nature of the two boroughs. The north of The Bronx has areas of residentials homes, and in some places is very suburban like, but the south which carries the reputation for the whole of The Bronx, for the great part it is very dense and highly urbanized, with whole neighborhoods of tenaments and apartment buildings. This creates a certain personality and life experience, with large populations having lived their entire lives in such an environment.

Brooklyn on the other hand, while having a couple of highly dense urban neighborhoods which are, generally, old and outlying, most of Brooklyn's neighborhoods are comprised of 'homes', with apatment buildings interspersed or congregated near public transport and commercial thoroughfares. There are few areas, if any, where the apartment buildings outnumber 'homes'. Most areas have roughly a 75/25 (or less) ratio of homes/apts, and a few might be 50/50. The exceptuon w/b the few areas that fell to the 'urban renewal' movement of the 50s/60s/70s, where in some areas, huge sections of poor neighborhoods were torn down and replaced with large public housing complexes.

The basic difference is that Brooklyn and The Bronx developed differently. Brooklyn has its own separate and independant identity as a city. For much of its existence as one of the largest in the country. Even as a borough, it would qualify as the 3rd or 4th largest city in the USA.

The city of Brooklyn developed in parralell to the City of New York, rivaling NYC until they merged, evidenced by Brooklyn's downtown and Brownstone Belt. Also, the outlying areas of Brooklyn (before Brooklyn was consolidated) were well developed and prosperous, such as Flatbush, Bushwhich, and the other Dutch towns.

The Bronx was an outlying area of mostly farmland and remained this way for most of its existence, until the subway was extended to the south bronx area. Afterwhich, The Bronx, unlike Brooklyn, developed with dense neighborhoods of mostly apartment buildings in which the masses of the lower east side expunged upon.

Brooklyn experiened a similar 'explosion' of lower east side population, immediately after the Williamsburg Bridge was completed and the subway was extended into areas like Williamsburg, Brownsville and East New York. These neighborhoods have some similarity to The Bronx, in population, housing, and density. The majority of Brooklyn developed independant of this 'explosion' of the lower east side.

The city of Brooklyn, the five 'Dutch towns', specifically Flatbush, and the then suburban Brownstone Belt, are the soul of the borough of churches. All relatively non-urbanized areas of middle-class 'homes', with the commensurate lifestyle and mentalities. In these areas, the percentage of lifetime apartment dwellers is VERY low, with most residents aspiring to home ownership and the American Dream. Also, most residents own cars.

The Bronx, specifically the south, has a different, more urban development and culture. More lifetime apartment dwellers, lower home ownership, fewer car owners, and imo, a stunted version of the American Dream. This creates a different mentality.

During the 70s and the era of 'urban decline' the two boroughs because of their different natures devolved to different degrees. The South Bronx became epitomized as the supreme example of urban blight, and to this day has the highest poverty level of all urban counties in the USA.

Brooklyn also suffered from urban decline, but the devolvement was limited to the few most dense urbanized areas, most like The Bronx, as well as its downtown. Vast stretches of decay were found in Brownsville, East New York, and Coney Island.

The difference being that better than half of The Bronx is/was comprised of dense urbanity, while perhaps only 20% of Brooklyn is so consisted. Consequently, once the era of 'urban blight' passed and the city began to revitalize, Brooklyn because of its authentic and less urbanized nature rebounded faster and more substantially, and I must add with significantly greater private investment.

While the Bronx, with a less 'authentic' nature has been last to share in the revitalization, most of which has been subsidized in an 'urban renewal' manner. Brooklyn's reputation has positively grown with revitalization, while The Bronx' negative perception, gained during the dark days of urban decay and high crime, continues to persist.

The Bronx and Brooklyn, oil and water, apt dwellers vs home owners, super urban vs low urbanity, working class vs middle class, non-yuppie vs yuppie, no brownstones vs brownstone, authentic vs not.
I hope you realize there is two distinct Brooklyn nowadays even thouogh you only see one Brooklyn! Not every Brooklynite can get a piece of the new Brooklyn but only a sample of it if ever.
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Old 09-24-2011, 08:49 PM
 
Location: NY,NY
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I hope you realize there is two distinct Brooklyn nowadays even thouogh you only see one Brooklyn!
How the H do you know what I see?

****

Brooklyn, blood, heart, soul.

Brooklyn born, Brooklyn life, Brooklyn die.

Brooklyn am I, I am forever, wherever, Brooklyn.

Blood Brooklyn, heart Brooklyn, soul Brooklyn.

****

Btw, the "new" Brooklyn is not 'my' Brooklyn. Neither are the 'modern' Transplants who inhabit too much of it.

The Brooklyn I am you do not and cannot know.

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Not every Brooklynite can get a piece of the new Brooklyn but only a sample of it if ever.
BLLSHT!

You sound like one of those bursting liberal MSNBC commercials. Worse yet, like a NYC public school teacher posioning the minds of our children.

Loser mentality.
Divorce it from your mind.
It will do nothing for you, but hold you back.
there is absolutely no benefit to such thought.

You want to be part, then be part. Be.
Do what you need, step out, change, evolve, educate, assimilate.
Take what you are, make it what you were, be what you choose.
Be more than what you know. Choose.
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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How the H do you know what I see?

****

Brooklyn, blood, heart, soul.

Brooklyn born, Brooklyn life, Brooklyn die.

Brooklyn am I, I am forever, wherever, Brooklyn.

Blood Brooklyn, heart Brooklyn, soul Brooklyn.

****

Btw, the "new" Brooklyn is not 'my' Brooklyn. Neither are the 'modern' Transplants who inhabit too much of it.

The Brooklyn I am you do not and cannot know.



BLLSHT!

You sound like one of those bursting liberal MSNBC commercials. Worse yet, like a NYC public school teacher posioning the minds of our children.

Loser mentality.
Divorce it from your mind.
It will do nothing for you, but hold you back.
there is absolutely no benefit to such thought.

You want to be part, then be part. Be.
Do what you need, step out, change, evolve, educate, assimilate.
Take what you are, make it what you were, be what you choose.
Be more than what you know. Choose.

I agree to some extent, but anyway good for you. Btw im not much of a liberal ranter. You sound like an idiot on cloud9 who watches fox news all day, however it doesnt mean you are one.
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Old 09-24-2011, 10:09 PM
 
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At one time there was a great rivalry between the two boroughs because of the Yankees-Dodgers.
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Old 09-25-2011, 12:04 AM
 
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Ha, you know what I noticed when I first moved to Brooklyn when I watched the news? In the Bronx, they shoot them AND set them on fire. In BK, they just shoot them.

And there is still a total rivalry between BK and the BX. At least in my circles.
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Old 09-25-2011, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Loser mentality.
Divorce it from your mind.
It will do nothing for you, but hold you back.
there is absolutely no benefit to such thought.

You want to be part, then be part. Be.
Do what you need, step out, change, evolve, educate, assimilate.
Take what you are, make it what you were, be what you choose.
Be more than what you know. Choose.
Looooooooooool!

This is one of the funniest things I ever read here on C-D!

What kind of mushroom have you been eating "Mr. Saxophone player"?

This is true progressive "We shall survive" bs.

Anyways, thanks for the laughs!
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Old 09-25-2011, 01:49 AM
 
Location: NY,NY
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Looooooooooool!

This is one of the funniest things I ever read here on C-D!

What kind of mushroom have you been eating "Mr. Saxophone player"?

This is true progressive "We shall survive" bs.

Anyways, thanks for the laughs!
Strange, it was in response to the sort of liberal self-scewing nonsense I despise.

Perhaps you should press the "On" button and re-read, because whatever you think it says, has nothing whatsoever to do in regard to 'progressives' who I despise more than liberals.

Its about as 'tea party' and/or 'aryn rand' as it gets. Though, deep thinking is a necessity for comprehension. Contemplation is good for the soul.
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