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Old 09-27-2011, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Utopia
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Well, now I get why each of these gals acts so proud of where they were from. Not being from there, I didn't get it but I feel you guys explained it pretty well. Thanks!
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Old 09-27-2011, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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Brooklyn and The Bronx are like oil and water, they don't mix. It's always been this way.

One reason is that Staten Island aside, which is totally separate and apart, The Bronx and Brooklyn are the two most geographically distant boroughs. Just as a matter of time and distance, residents of the two boroughs rarely mix.

Second is the basic nature of the two boroughs. The north of The Bronx has areas of residentials homes, and in some places is very suburban like, but the south which carries the reputation for the whole of The Bronx, for the great part it is very dense and highly urbanized, with whole neighborhoods of tenaments and apartment buildings. This creates a certain personality and life experience, with large populations having lived their entire lives in such an environment.

Brooklyn on the other hand, while having a couple of highly dense urban neighborhoods which are, generally, old and outlying, most of Brooklyn's neighborhoods are comprised of 'homes', with apatment buildings interspersed or congregated near public transport and commercial thoroughfares. There are few areas, if any, where the apartment buildings outnumber 'homes'. Most areas have roughly a 75/25 (or less) ratio of homes/apts, and a few might be 50/50. The exceptuon w/b the few areas that fell to the 'urban renewal' movement of the 50s/60s/70s, where in some areas, huge sections of poor neighborhoods were torn down and replaced with large public housing complexes.

The basic difference is that Brooklyn and The Bronx developed differently. Brooklyn has its own separate and independant identity as a city. For much of its existence as one of the largest in the country. Even as a borough, it would qualify as the 3rd or 4th largest city in the USA.

The city of Brooklyn developed in parralell to the City of New York, rivaling NYC until they merged, evidenced by Brooklyn's downtown and Brownstone Belt. Also, the outlying areas of Brooklyn (before Brooklyn was consolidated) were well developed and prosperous, such as Flatbush, Bushwhich, and the other Dutch towns.

The Bronx was an outlying area of mostly farmland and remained this way for most of its existence, until the subway was extended to the south bronx area. Afterwhich, The Bronx, unlike Brooklyn, developed with dense neighborhoods of mostly apartment buildings in which the masses of the lower east side expunged upon.

Brooklyn experiened a similar 'explosion' of lower east side population, immediately after the Williamsburg Bridge was completed and the subway was extended into areas like Williamsburg, Brownsville and East New York. These neighborhoods have some similarity to The Bronx, in population, housing, and density. The majority of Brooklyn developed independant of this 'explosion' of the lower east side.

The city of Brooklyn, the five 'Dutch towns', specifically Flatbush, and the then suburban Brownstone Belt, are the soul of the borough of churches. All relatively non-urbanized areas of middle-class 'homes', with the commensurate lifestyle and mentalities. In these areas, the percentage of lifetime apartment dwellers is VERY low, with most residents aspiring to home ownership and the American Dream. Also, most residents own cars.

The Bronx, specifically the south, has a different, more urban development and culture. More lifetime apartment dwellers, lower home ownership, fewer car owners, and imo, a stunted version of the American Dream. This creates a different mentality.

During the 70s and the era of 'urban decline' the two boroughs because of their different natures devolved to different degrees. The South Bronx became epitomized as the supreme example of urban blight, and to this day has the highest poverty level of all urban counties in the USA.

Brooklyn also suffered from urban decline, but the devolvement was limited to the few most dense urbanized areas, most like The Bronx, as well as its downtown. Vast stretches of decay were found in Brownsville, East New York, and Coney Island.

The difference being that better than half of The Bronx is/was comprised of dense urbanity, while perhaps only 20% of Brooklyn is so consisted. Consequently, once the era of 'urban blight' passed and the city began to revitalize, Brooklyn because of its authentic and less urbanized nature rebounded faster and more substantially, and I must add with significantly greater private investment.

While the Bronx, with a less 'authentic' nature has been last to share in the revitalization, most of which has been subsidized in an 'urban renewal' manner. Brooklyn's reputation has positively grown with revitalization, while The Bronx' negative perception, gained during the dark days of urban decay and high crime, continues to persist.

The Bronx and Brooklyn, oil and water, apt dwellers vs home owners, super urban vs low urbanity, working class vs middle class, non-yuppie vs yuppie, no brownstones vs brownstone, authentic vs not.
I grew up in Brooklyn and lived in the Bronx for four years.

This makes sense. However, let me add that Brooklyn's proximity to Manhattan's business location (Midtown, Lower Manhattan) may be a factor in its revitalization. I will agree that the entire borough of the Bronx has not been able to shake it's negative reputation.
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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IMO the main differences between The Bronx and Brooklyn is the Bronx is more working class while Brooklyn is more trendy/hipsterish and is more "yuppie-friendly". Crime wise, the Bronx has a higher crime rate I believe and is also poorer. Demographically, Brooklyn is a lot more diverse, while the BX is mostly Hispanic with a handful of Blacks and Whites sprinkled in. Density is also higher in Brooklyn and the Bronx has more parks and green space.
The Bronx has an average density of 32,000 people per square mile, compared to 35,000 per square mile for Brooklyn, so it's not a big difference.

The Bronx has more differences with the density of the areas. The Southwestern Bronx is all housing projects and tenements, and many of the other areas have mostly single-family homes with a few buildings mixed in (like in Riverdale).
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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The Bronx has an average density of 32,000 people per square mile, compared to 35,000 per square mile for Brooklyn, so it's not a big difference.

The Bronx has more differences with the density of the areas. The Southwestern Bronx is all housing projects and tenements, and many of the other areas have mostly single-family homes with a few buildings mixed in (like in Riverdale).
South Western Bronx is full of tenements and majority of them section8 recepitents, South Bronx proper or in other words of Mott Haven and Morrisania is full of houosing pjs.
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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South Bronx proper or in other words of Mott Haven and Morrisania is full of houosing pjs.
As we know Melrose has it's fair share also.

Adams
Melrose
Jackson
St. Mary's Park
Bronxchester
Air Rights

And some rehabbed NYCHA tenements.

Last edited by Northwindsforever; 09-28-2011 at 08:15 AM..
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Utopia
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I know that each of my friends corrected me when I proclaimed them from the wrong burrough as in "No, I'm from Brooklyn" and "No, I'm from the Bronx." So, yeah...I get the rivalry now.
Surely alot of pride in their burroughs it seems to me.
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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I know that each of my friends corrected me when I proclaimed them from the wrong burrough as in "No, I'm from Brooklyn" and "No, I'm from the Bronx." So, yeah...I get the rivalry now.
Surely alot of pride in their burroughs it seems to me.
The pride is more prevelant when bronxites and brooklynites move out the city.
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Old 02-02-2016, 07:42 AM
 
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The difference is , Bronx is Puerto Rico and Brooklyn is Irak!!!
hotblue78 Bronx is not PR and will never be.
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Old 02-07-2016, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Harlem, NY
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I have two friends--one from Brooklyn and one from the Bronx--and both say where they are from with the "what's it to 'ya" tone of voice, which tends to make me not want to ask each of them what the difference is.
What is the difference between people who live in Brooklyn from those who live in the Bronx? Classier? More ethnic? What?
Brooklyn is way more further developed, and has a better quality of life than the Bronx. IMO.
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:30 PM
 
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Brooklyn is way more further developed, and has a better quality of life than the Bronx. IMO.
that's practically objective
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