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Old 10-31-2011, 02:59 PM
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"Fiending" - what the heck does that mean? Is that a verb back-formation from fiend? Like "conversate"
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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The department is well over 50% non-white these days...
53% white, as oppose to the FDNY which is over 90%....

yes, those evil whities are holding the black man down again.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:09 PM
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Flushing, you're making no sense. Your thesis is that those at the top are Irish and Italian etc, but that they way they stay at the top is to "harass minorities, fabricate cases, fix tickets, sell drugs, rob people etc)." The problem is - the people who do those things are the patrol cops. The patrol cops aren't majority white.
Sounds like you've just got the usual solidifed "pro-cop or anti-cop" attitude which is just an excuse for not thinking. Like celticvisa's anti-cop standard-issue slandering of the whole dept. above.

These cops need to face the consequences of cheating, and those cops who vociferously support them should think about were their loyalites lay, upholding the law or not.
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:02 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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The department is well over 50% non-white these days...

Indeed this is true. Now lets examine the racial make up of the top people of the department. The lower levels of the NYPD (Police Officer and Detective) may be majority non-whites but as you approach the higher echelon of the NYPD the percents rise back into tawny white control. The Irish and Italian crime bosses have a strangle hold on the highest ranks of the NYPD and they're not letting them go anytime soon.

Minorities Gain in NYPD Ranks - WSJ.com

Raymond Walter Kelly = Irish NYPD crime King pin

I'm fiending to see your response./quote]
You misquoted me, so you won't be getting a response at all.
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:46 PM
 
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Flushing, you're making no sense. Your thesis is that those at the top are Irish and Italian etc, but that they way they stay at the top is to "harass minorities, fabricate cases, fix tickets, sell drugs, rob people etc)." The problem is - the people who do those things are the patrol cops. The patrol cops aren't majority white.
Sounds like you've just got the usual solidifed "pro-cop or anti-cop" attitude which is just an excuse for not thinking. Like celticvisa's anti-cop standard-issue slandering of the whole dept. above.

These cops need to face the consequences of cheating, and those cops who vociferously support them should think about were their loyalites lay, upholding the law or not.
The top cops are Irish and Italian this is 100% INCONTROVERTIBLE. They stay on top by sending their cronies (the Mcflanigan,McManus,Mc whatever juniors and all the junior spaghetti heads) to do their bidding. Patrol cops are the puppets of the high ranking cops.

Solidified pro-cop or anti-cop attitude? Aren't those two on completely opposite sides of the spectrum?
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Old 11-01-2011, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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The top cops are Irish and Italian this is 100% INCONTROVERTIBLE. They stay on top by sending their cronies (the Mcflanigan,McManus,Mc whatever juniors and all the junior spaghetti heads) to do their bidding. Patrol cops are the puppets of the high ranking cops.

Solidified pro-cop or anti-cop attitude? Aren't those two on completely opposite sides of the spectrum?
The top cops are Irish and Italian. Oh MY GOD THAT IS JUST AWFUL!!!!

Al Sharpton should protest about this immediately.
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Old 11-01-2011, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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The officers of the NYPD are trying to do whatever it takes to keep the NYPD a Irish/Italian and partially greek Criminal syndicate. They must do whatever it takes (harass minorities, fabricate cases, fix tickets, sell drugs, rob people etc) to maintain there strangle hold on the jobs they have and want their propsects (children and neighbors) to have.
You forgot rican.
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Old 11-01-2011, 07:36 AM
 
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To be fair, this "ticket fixing" and other such favors, like allowing drunk driving cops to not get arrested, etc has been happening in the department since there was a department. This is nothing new at all and is the culture of the department from the top down, and anyone who thinks otherwise probably has never interacted with another human being in their lives. There is also something to be said for selective prosecution, as this is pervasive in the dept, why are they cherry picking enforcement now?

That being said, ultimately, you cannot hold the police to an ethical standard and expect them to enforce the laws, when they are in fact above them. Since it has been "discovered" that cops are making tickets disappear for friends/family/business associates, or anyone else they feel like, the question becomes: What else have they altered? Can they be trusted? Why are they allowed to live by a different set of rules/laws and manipulate the system?

See the problem here? If they simply turn their head and say well cops do what cops do, which includes lieing and covering up things, how can you have an effective police force and legal system which is based on the integrity and oftentimes word of police officers? The answer is, you cannot. So whether they want to or not, they have to hold people accountable because they have been caught, and show that altering or covering up anything is not standard practice in the police force, although it is.

Could you find someone guilty of anything when you know the entire case rests on the word of a police officer who has been proven to manipulate the system secretly to make tickets disappear for those he liked or purposefully chose not to testify as a "favor" for someone? What other favors has he done? Incriminate you for some reason? Nobody knows, and therein lies the huge problem we face.

On the surface this is simply a courtesy, and part of the benefit of being a cop, but in practice, you cannot allow the police force to peddle their power for friends/family whomever, or manipulate the system for favors. There is no integrity or honesty in a system that relies almost wholly on the word of police officers who do this. And having the police officers shout and chant, and boo people is not only more bad press for the police dept, it shows they don't care and just want to do whatever it is they want to do. WOW!
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Old 11-01-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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I can attest to the fact that the dept is comprised of a higher number of Caucasians as opposed to minorities. As of the last ten years more minorities have joined the force. What if anything that has to do with the ticket fixing scandal is beyond me. Speaking from experience a simple courtesy has always been the norm as far back as I and others can remember for relatives and close friends. At the end of the year cards are issued to each member and its usually up to the member to distribute them to whom they choose. It is at the discretion of the officer who pulls the family member to honor it. If not you must suffer the consequence of paying the penalty or the summons if one was issued. That definitley does not excuse the bone heads who took it one step further and delved into a criminal aspect. They deserve to be berated and charged to the fullest extent of the law! What profession on this earth is a professional courtesy not extended to family and friends without the criminal element of course without recourse. Every cop should not be lumped into one bag. Bad cops are bad people with or without the badge !
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Old 11-01-2011, 03:34 PM
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Solidified pro-cop or anti-cop attitude? Aren't those two on completely opposite sides of the spectrum?
Yea exactly, no actual thinking, just seeing everything through pro-cop or anti-cop glasses instead of weighing it up and then coming to a conclusion.

Just like the republican fanatics and democrat fanatics who come on here. If you're starting from an entrenched ideology, you'll end up seeing basically nothing in front of you becuase the tint to your spectacles is too strong.
Not that such people need to see anything, because their minds are altready made up.
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