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I'm on 143rd and 3rd ave - know the area for over 30 years.
In the past 5 days 3 teenagers have been shot within a ~2 block radius. Just moments ago, I heard more gunshots. It feels like spring time with the amount of sirens heard weekly.
To me Mott Haven is the worst neighborhood in NYC. I think it's one of the worst places in the country. It is the genesis of the south Bronx, and nowadays it stands for everything wrong with the south Bronx.
The "ghetto" mentality thrives in Mott Haven, a Haven for social problems. The problem is, lots of poor people, little else. Many are stuck in the traditional cycle of poverty, incarseration, teen pregnancy, dropping out. Crap schools, crap amenities, crap housing, dirty subway stations. Potential though, but not encouraging what they should. Instead of trying to attract young professionals and students with subway access and mixed zoning like parts of Harlem, they build cheap family oriented multiunit homes and apartments for those only one notch above poverty. So little will change, many units are also being dedicated go those under the poverty line. There needs to be more income mixture.
Bad news. I haven't stepped foot in the Mott in some time. I was planning to do so soon just to photograph the area (as it is one of my hobbies), likely a bad idea after all eh ?
To me Mott Haven is the worst neighborhood in NYC. I think it's one of the worst places in the country. It is the genesis of the south Bronx, and nowadays it stands for everything wrong with the south Bronx.
I was about to disagree with you and say that it is on par with Brownsville and then I saw that Brownsville has a population a little over 100,000 and has 26 murders on the year in comparison with Mott Haven who with these two murders has 20 on the year with a population less than half that of Brownsville... that in itself is insane...
One thing though, there both approximately one square mile so alot of crime is happening in a relatively small area either way but the numbers in Mott Haven far outweigh those of Brownsville considering the population... Right now if the rate continues Mott haven will be looking at a rate close to 50 per 100,000... Those are numbers we haven't seen for a long time...
Interestingly, reading wikipedia would have you convinced that the neighborhood is improving tremendously with the added diversity of high income earning whites moving in as well as low-income blacks being displaced... (there words not mine)... Goes to show you how well you can trust the accuracy of that cite... I'm assuming the level of gentrification is about the same as Ocean Hill in Brownsville (close to non-existant)... though wikipedia would tell you otherwise...
take a look at present day for a good laugh... "trendy stores have popped up"... you gotta love the hipsters that have taken over wikipedia... Btw, good luck trying to remove that information for factual information... they have that cite on lockdown... I've tried numerous times to change it back to the way it originally was but they continue changing it back...
I'm on 143rd and 3rd ave - know the area for over 30 years.
In the past 5 days 3 teenagers have been shot within a ~2 block radius. Just moments ago, I heard more gunshots. It feels like spring time with the amount of sirens heard weekly.
Amazing how many shootings go unnoticed/unreported.
Thats nothing new my dude. That intersection has been a hotspot for crime in the past twenty years from what I remember. Gun wielding trigger happy blacks that live in the pjs dominate that area. I have walked through that intersection many times during all times of day and night however I have a body type of a cop so no one messes with me. On college avenue there used to be a nypd look out tower im not sure if its still there. Another hotspot is 137 street between brook and cypress avenue, for more than half the year nypd esu truck was stationed outside millbrook pjs due to the highlevel of shootings and other crime in that area. Willis between 141 and 144 is a major trouble spot and also on willis brtween 137 and 138 is also a major trouble spot especially with the 24 hour yemini deli called charlie which was once and irish deli 30 years ago then a rican deli a decade ago. That deli brings all sorts of trouble. Now all 24 hour delis in the area lock the entrance and conduct business trough a bullet proof side window. What I found disturbing in the area most black homicides are aided with a gun while hispanic homocides are knife based assualts.
Moty haven had been a troubled area for years from irish to the growing dominican and mexican populace, and not even the rc church cant save the souls of the area but still rob the people and send the money to the popes lap. I know one black lady who wants to send her son down south to live because her son is going to get killed or end up in jail for life like his father. Does mott haven need gentrificstion to be honest I dont know, but gentrification might save the area, also to escape poverty many ricans in the area move upstate or to pa and florida while the blacks move out of the pjs and head back down south. mott haven also has alot of history that has had a major impact on this country.
Last edited by Bronxguyanese; 12-01-2011 at 10:34 PM..
Last year mott haven had 14 murders but this year mott haven has 20 in the next 30 days it might just hit 24 murders nearly double from last year, especially since the holidays are in full swing and no one has money and probably will rob an underpaid and over worked mexican for all hes got.
I was about to disagree with you and say that it is on par with Brownsville and then I saw that Brownsville has a population a little over 100,000 and has 26 murders on the year in comparison with Mott Haven who with these two murders has 20 on the year with a population less than half that of Brownsville... that in itself is insane...
Why can't we at least stick to FACTS when discussing neighborhood stats ?
I'm not here to argue that there isn't a murder problem in Mott Haven or that it's a great neighborhood but you distorting things by throwing out erroneous information.
So,I have 3 questions:
1)How is a population of 82,000 "less than 1/2" of 90,000?
2)How is Mott Haven's murder rate worse than Brownsville's when it has had 18 murders with a population opf 82,000 vs. 25 murders with a population of 92,000 for Brownville ?
3) With less than 1 month left in the year ,how is Mott Haven's murder rate going to anywhere near 50 per 100,000 ?Wouldn't there have to be at least as many murders in the next 3 weeks as there have been in the last 11 months ?
Guys why do you not complain, make a stand against lawless thugs, does your city not do any thing to deter this. We have it in Liverpool but that is down to letting every man and his dog in the country, were full of every nation, and our own can't find jobs ok some don’t want them lol. We should bring back national service to both countries make the low life work for a living
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