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Old 12-28-2011, 10:35 AM
 
Location: New York City
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There are no term limits for governor or other offices.

Voters are consenting adults. If they want to vote for X because he has brown eyes, or is Albanian, or voted for Legislation Z, that's his/her prerogative.

Even before the entry of rich people, people voted according to, say, how Tammany Hall instructed them, in exchange for turkey or a job for their cousin in a municipal agency, etc.

Imagine if Bill Clinton had been allowed to run again in 2000: we would have avoided the fiscal disaster that George W Bush wreaked on the country.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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there are no term limits for governor or other offices.

Voters are consenting adults. If they want to vote for x because he has brown eyes, or is albanian, or voted for legislation z, that's his/her prerogative.

Even before the entry of rich people, people voted according to, say, how tammany hall instructed them, in exchange for turkey or a job for their cousin in a municipal agency, etc.

imagine if bill clinton had been allowed to run again in 2000: we would have avoided the fiscal disaster that george w bush wreaked on the country.

i wish. Clinton was the best presdient america ever had
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:49 AM
 
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Voters are consenting adults, however it does not mean the choices they make are good for themselves or society as a whole. You don't want to end up with a choice of a convict who "only raped" 15 girls for president, and another convict who raped 20 girls. According to you...we are consenting adults and you gotta vote for someone..those are your 2 choices!

We have protections, laws and regulations so that such things don't happen, checks and balances to ensure accountability and integrity of the system, and minimal corruption. And we don't know what would have happened if Clinton were re-elected..that's all speculation...for all we know it could have been much worse.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:50 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Should he ever be voted back in, I would wish that he would relinquish control of the public schools. Perhaps there have been minor gains in test scores but with low percentages of kids graduating from high school and a high percentage of those who graduate being remedial once they get to college, there has to be some improvement. I find the current policies too paternalistic ... as if the communities (i.e., community school boards that were dismantled) cannot make sound decisions about schools without mayoral involvement. While some of you are younger than me and had less than positive experiences with schools, my time in the NYC public schools from grade 1 - 12 provided me with an excellent education and preparedness for college, and a career beyond. There is "choice" now but there really aren't enough truly good choices for the number of talented children out there. Unless you are in the top 5 - 10%, you could languish in a failing school.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:18 PM
 
Location: New York City
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You can choose not to vote, or to totally tune out of politics.

But term limits by their nature reduce the number of potential candidates.

It's the equivalent of saying Lady Gage should have no more than, say, three hits or six concerts, and then has to retire.

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Voters are consenting adults, however it does not mean the choices they make are good for themselves or society as a whole. You don't want to end up with a choice of a convict who "only raped" 15 girls for president, and another convict who raped 20 girls. According to you...we are consenting adults and you gotta vote for someone..those are your 2 choices!

We have protections, laws and regulations so that such things don't happen, checks and balances to ensure accountability and integrity of the system, and minimal corruption. And we don't know what would have happened if Clinton were re-elected..that's all speculation...for all we know it could have been much worse.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:32 PM
 
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If billionaire mayor mike bedbug wants another four years then the voters have no way of knowing what a lousy job bedbug is doing if:

1-His billions scare legitimate challengers away in 2013
2-His billions intimidate the media into slanting the news and opinion articles towards his favor
3-He saturates everyone's mailbox with colorful glossy daily brochures saying what a "great" mayor he's been and giving bogus reasons why

But believe me, mayor bedbug is an arrogant incompetent and uncaring idiot.
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Old 12-29-2011, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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If billionaire mayor mike bedbug wants another four years then the voters have no way of knowing what a lousy job bedbug is doing if:

1-His billions scare legitimate challengers away in 2013
2-His billions intimidate the media into slanting the news and opinion articles towards his favor
3-He saturates everyone's mailbox with colorful glossy daily brochures saying what a "great" mayor he's been and giving bogus reasons why

But believe me, mayor bedbug is an arrogant incompetent and uncaring idiot.

Exactly,
The purpose of term limitations is to curb the immense power of extreme wealth and the very real power of incumbancy.
Republicans were so petrified of another FDR anointing, that they forced through presidential TERM LIMITATIONS. New York saw the advantages of such limitations and voted to institute them.
Of couse ALL incumbents scream bloody murder how unfair they are because they know full well the power of money and incumbancy and want to claw onto them.


But I agree, 5 terms with Bill Clinton would have been a vast improvement over the drek we have had in the White House since 2000. On the other hand look at a lifetime with Clarence "Long Dong Silver" Thomas and Tony "Hang 'em High" Scalia.

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Old 12-29-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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Exactly,
The purpose of term limitations is to curb the immense power of extreme wealth and the very real power of incumbancy.
Republicans were so petrified of another FDR anointing, that they forced through presidential TERM LIMITATIONS. New York saw the advantages of such limitations and voted to institute them.
Of couse ALL incumbents scream bloody murder how unfair they are because they know full well the power of money and incumbancy and want to claw onto them.


But I agree, 5 terms with Bill Clinton would have been a vast improvement over the drek we have had in the White House since 2000. On the other hand look at a lifetime with Clarence "Long Dong Silver" Thomas and Tony "Hang 'em High" Scalia.
"Election Day" is supposed to mean "Term Limits" if you have a bad incumbent but then again nobody ever thought that a billionaire would show up who would--------------spend a billion dollars to be elected to a job where he got paid a dollar a year AND made 4 billion dollars in the ten years he was in office.
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:17 AM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Exactly,
The purpose of term limitations is to curb the immense power of extreme wealth and the very real power of incumbancy.
Republicans were so petrified of another FDR anointing, that they forced through presidential TERM LIMITATIONS. New York saw the advantages of such limitations and voted to institute them.
Of couse ALL incumbents scream bloody murder how unfair they are because they know full well the power of money and incumbancy and want to claw onto them.


But I agree, 5 terms with Bill Clinton would have been a vast improvement over the drek we have had in the White House since 2000. On the other hand look at a lifetime with Clarence "Long Dong Silver" Thomas and Tony "Hang 'em High" Scalia.
Not to turn this into a political debate about Clinton, but Clinton didn't have to deal with 9/11. I hardly believe he would have handled it any differently. He was partially responsible for ignoring 9/11 and paving the road for the economy to go to waste. Fresh blood was needed--just not GWBs
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