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Old 03-09-2012, 02:02 AM
 
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NYCHA is demolishing the 3 Prospect Plaza towers in Brooklyn and have already built new mixed income homes around them. In the end it became too expensive to renovate them something around $382,000 per unit starting from scratch.

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Old 03-09-2012, 02:34 AM
 
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NYCHA is demolishing the 3 Prospect Plaza towers in Brooklyn and have already built new mixed income homes around them. In the end it became too expensive to renovate them something around $382,000 per unit starting from scratch.
The new Prospect Plaza plan is a huge improvement. Instead of renovating 3 mid-rise, tower-in-the-park designed, apartment buildings and filling them with low income residents (Back to square one), the plan calls for well integrated low-rise apartment buildings with mixed income regulations. These new buildings are built to the street wall and include ground floor retail. The biggest problem with Prospect Plaza, and other NYCHA housing authority developments, is the fact that they isolate the residents away from the surrounding communities.

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(For the record, there is nothing wrong with mid or high-rise development, especially in NYC. In fact we should be building taller in this city. The taller, the more "affordable" units that can be subsidized and the demand exist. However, there is a problem when you pack them with only poor people and isolate them from the surrounding community within super-blocks. That is the problem with the current set up for many NYCHA developments. I am all for mixed income housing.)
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Risk in jail? They have guns in jail, they have weed, cocaine, heroin, crack and anything you want in jail. Those places are NOT secured facilities?

Ever been to Rikers Island? They have everything you want, in one dorm.
Speak from personal experience? lol
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Old 03-09-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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In the beginning Himmler had this idea to put the jewish population on the island of Madagascar.
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Old 03-09-2012, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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not trying to defend the OP as I do believe this is a ridiculous idea and very impractical at best.
but he didn't mention anything on race. But the implications and conections you guys made are crystal clear.
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:50 AM
 
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smh I don't know how america wound up so unstable.
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Old 03-11-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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We all know that most of the violent crime in NYC, originates in or around housing projects.
So what if NYC was to put all of its projects in one place, with legal and (ideally) physical boundaries?
what if we developed Randall's island and put of all those project residents there?

Or maybe we can put them in the Bronx, make the whole borough a public housing project as a legal entity. We would need check-points north and south of the Bronx, and on the bridges of Randall's island.

This would reduce crime in NYC like no other measure that has ever been tried, Guaranteed!
And it would provide housing to the current public housing population!

It's already been done before, it's called apartheid. Let me guess, you'd require the project residents to carry passes and identification at all times to leave the island and they could only leave to work for their rich masters?
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Old 03-11-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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not trying to defend the OP as I do believe this is a ridiculous idea and very impractical at best.
but he didn't mention anything on race. But the implications and conections you guys made are crystal clear.

The racial implication comes from that out of all the boroughs he picked the Bronx.
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Old 03-11-2012, 01:31 PM
 
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Speak from personal experience? lol
Am I able to speak from anything else?
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:41 PM
 
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Horrid idea. Discrimination against the lower income people of this city even. Every social ill would be amplified on an isolated island of poverty.

Mixed income housing is the answer. It has proven highly successful so far. The problem now is demolishing NYCHA property or converting it into mixed income developments.


One of the biggest lessons from the idea of large scale public housing is that even if well intentioned, it is inherently flawed. The idea of concentrated poverty is a failure. Extensive real estate exclusively devoted to poverty and the despair that often accompanies it, is a breeding ground for just about every social ill around and creates a culture to perpetuate it..and the cycle continues.

Ideally it would be of a temporary nature but in reality that's often not the case. Eventually what is considered unacceptable to the mainstream becomes normalized in such an environment.
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