Goverment housing island project, or special borough for housing projects.

[kryan]

Das, thats is a good idea except some work programs lead to decent jobs, I know someone who was cleaning the subway stations for a biweekly check of $179 and now makes $17 per hour @32 hours she is now self sufficent pays rent and bills. The state and government needs stricter laws, so that these people can work and eventually refuse "hand outs"

The issue is not to put out unruly residents, but where will they go, very few will find work and stay as the young lady I mentioned but the rest will end of in a shelter.

[DAS]

Originally Posted by kryan

Das, thats is a good idea except some work programs lead to decent jobs, I know someone who was cleaning the subway stations for a biweekly check of $179 and now makes $17 per hour @32 hours she is now self sufficent pays rent and bills. The state and government needs stricter laws, so that these people can work and eventually refuse "hand outs"

The issue is not to put out unruly residents, but where will they go, very few will find work and stay as the young lady I mentioned but the rest will end of in a shelter.

Did the cleaning subways work program lead to this job? Or did this person find work on their own? If it leads to them actually getting a job then it is good. But most of them are put in dead end position that lead to nothing. Most don't have the education and skills to get anything else.

There are some that do have qualifications now working in these programs because they cannot find work right now. But they are constantly looking and won't be in the dead end position working for their check for long.

Does this person fall into that category?

In my post I was referring to parents with no skills, practically no education, the type that would cause many people to want to remove the child from the home. The people that are not abusive to their children, but don't have the knowledge and organizational skills to give their child a better future.

If their checks depended on the child's attendance and grades, and required them to be their at school with the child, you would see a big change in the child's attitude towards education, because the parents attitude would change. If it did nothing else the child would get 12 solid years of education and a foundation to build on.

The way the GED test is set up today, a person cannot pass that test without 12 solid years of education. Many people go to GED classes and take that test over and over and never pass. The GED classes cannot replace the 12 years of education. Only people that were pretty smart in school and were on 12 grade level even if they drop out in 9th or 10th grade can actually pass that test.

The idea I'm proposing is not a quick fix but can save a lot of money down the line. It cost too much to put people to work, and try to straighten them out. Let's put our resources in saving the next generation. This would also employ more professionals with education and creditials that are needed to get the job done.

People with subsidized apts. on public assistance, do not end up in shelters, unless they commit crimes. Public Assistance will pay their rents.

Rent stabilized, people that have subsidized rents and are working middle class people end up in shelters before they do, if they cannot pay their rents.

[Harlem resident]

Originally Posted by DAS

People with subsidized apts. on public assistance, do not end up in shelters, unless they commit crimes. Public Assistance will pay their rents.

Rent stabilized, people that have subsidized rents and are working middle class people end up in shelters before they do, if they cannot pay their rents.

100% true. I see this every day and it is so wrong.

[kryan]

Yes this person was working under the WEP (welfare employment program) and got hired for a full time position. I agree if the check depending on how well their kids were doing yes you will see a dramatic change.

[Nyc77]

Originally Posted by asker2012

We all know that most of the violent crime in NYC, originates in or around housing projects.
So what if NYC was to put all of its projects in one place, with legal and (ideally) physical boundaries?
what if we developed Randall's island and put of all those project residents there?

Or maybe we can put them in the Bronx, make the whole borough a public housing project as a legal entity. We would need check-points north and south of the Bronx, and on the bridges of Randall's island.

This would reduce crime in NYC like no other measure that has ever been tried, Guaranteed!
And it would provide housing to the current public housing population!

And as rents increase everywhere else, is only a matter of time before the hipsters, gays, artist, whites, and everyone else people complain about move into this magical island you dream of because of the cheap cost

[l1995]

This sounds like a concentration camp to me...horrible idea

[fmatthew5876]

This is what NYC and all of the other major cities already tried to do in the 60s. Take all of the poor (read: blacks) and dump them together somewhere so they are out of our backyards. Look at neighborhoods like Brownsville.The result? Massive crime, a repeating cycle of poverty, and and general feeling of us vs them distrust of the police and greater society in general in poor culture.

By putting all of the poor together you create a zone of complete poverty that only encourages and breeds more poverty. By spreading them and integrating them as small parts of otherwise decent neighborhoods, you encourage integration into society. When the majority in the certain area is poor and ghetto, the whole neighborhood takes on that culture and everyone becomes more poor and ghetto. When the majority of the neighborhood is normal people with some poor mixed in, the culture of the neighborhood remains in tact and the poor are encouraged to integrate and follow the example of normal people.