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Old 06-25-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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Too much talk. Lets organize this.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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Too much talk. Lets organize this.
Alright, let's do it. I'm going to work on this over the holidays. The question would be what to work on. Maybe try to look over the research paper for the Triboro RX and base projections using their model? Does anyone have some links to examples of people calculating purported ridership levels for similar projects (most especially, a new transfer link)? I'm guessing something might have been written for the Jay Street R connection that was done recently or the Uptown 6 at Broadway-Lafayette. I'm thinking doing something like that along with a website and then maybe something social media-y. Does it make sense to also call for the eventual phasing out of both Lorimer and Hewes? The MTA put money into refurbishing them pretty recently, but any push to get the MTA to do this would probably take so long that Lorimer and Hewes would probably be up for fixing by the time it's finished anyhow. The thing is, closing down stations is a quick way to get people pissed and against the idea, but having that many stops over there is ridiculous.
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The MTA's study on the G Train mentioned a free out of system transfer to the J [on page 7]. On the last page, it made the list of not recommended due to loss of revenue.
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Old 12-02-2013, 12:01 PM
 
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The MTA's study on the G Train mentioned a free out of system transfer to the J [on page 7]. On the last page, it made the list of not recommended due to loss of revenue.
That's interesting. It's true that making some people pay twice is a revenue source--maybe an analysis of making the the combined Broadway stop would have to include some projections of how there might be additional users. I'm thinking the arguments for it aren't really going to hinge so much on additional revenue (sure, better service might attract more riders, but for these neighborhoods there simply isn't much of easy non-MTA alternative), but on the MTA as a public benefit corporation has a fairly low cost opportunity to improve their services quite a bit. I'm sort of amazed by the 2300 people who make their own out of station transfer a day though.
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Old 12-02-2013, 02:40 PM
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That's interesting. It's true that making some people pay twice is a revenue source--maybe an analysis of making the the combined Broadway stop would have to include some projections of how there might be additional users. I'm thinking the arguments for it aren't really going to hinge so much on additional revenue (sure, better service might attract more riders, but for these neighborhoods there simply isn't much of easy non-MTA alternative), but on the MTA as a public benefit corporation has a fairly low cost opportunity to improve their services quite a bit. I'm sort of amazed by the 2300 people who make their own out of station transfer a day though.
It's only a 3 minute walk, I guess it's fastest way to get to Lower Manhattan for some (or maybe they want the M)? It's rather silly to say we won't make things more convenient because we'll lower revenue but I can see why they want to prevent from being abused for people getting free rides. Hopefully some day they'll add a Broadway J stop and remove the Lorimer and Hewes stops. The J has some really short stop spacing in places!

Also, the N passes by the Queens Plaza on an elevated track. Perhaps it should get an extra stop to connect with the E/M/R?

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Old 12-02-2013, 03:17 PM
 
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It's only a 3 minute walk, I guess it's fastest way to get to Lower Manhattan for some (or maybe they want the M)? It's rather silly to say we won't make things more convenient because we'll lower revenue but I can see why they want to prevent from being abused for people getting free rides. Hopefully some day they'll add a Broadway J stop and remove the Lorimer and Hewes stops. The J has some really short stop spacing in places!

Also, the N passes by the Queens Plaza on an elevated track. Perhaps it should get an extra stop to connect with the E/M/R?
Yea, the removal of the Lorimer and Hewes J/M stops and the additional J/M stop right over and connected to the G train is what I'm arguing for. I'm surprised that the 3 minute walk, possible extra fare, and the percentage of people to which the idea of an out of station transfer there would occur is able to get that many people a day.
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