ghettos or hoods? (Yonkers, New Rochelle, Mount Vernon: apartments, co-op, townhouses)

[Robert.Dinero]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

It's all the same hood wherever you go.

Yet some place have worst and more things happening. And in my opinion and experience (but again this is just my opinion), the amount of bad things happening in Brownsville or parts of East NY surpasses the daily occurrences of Fordham South, Soundview or Morrisania.

[BugsyPal]

Driving around SI for Thanksgiving holiday weekend and sadly have to say much of North Shore is firmly becoming a hood. Certain parts of New Brighton, West New Brighton, Port Richmond, Mariners Harbor and Arlington have been ghettos for years. However those areas are expanding beyond once traditional borders to claim more and more of surrounding area.

Driving along Bay Street towards Hylan it's sad to see what's happened to Rosebank. Won't be long before that place tips and becomes firmly a hood as well.

[Relaxx]

Originally Posted by BugsyPal

Driving around SI for Thanksgiving holiday weekend and sadly have to say much of North Shore is firmly becoming a hood. Certain parts of New Brighton, West New Brighton, Port Richmond, Mariners Harbor and Arlington have been ghettos for years. However those areas are expanding beyond once traditional borders to claim more and more of surrounding area.

Driving along Bay Street towards Hylan it's sad to see what's happened to Rosebank. Won't be long before that place tips and becomes firmly a hood as well.

I thought some the areas were already hood though.

[Robert.Dinero]

Originally Posted by Veve0308

I was comparing them to Canarsie meaning if Canarsie is Ghetto than Bayridge and Marine Park and even Sheaps Head Bay is Ghetto because they have the same cleaniness and characteristics. Certain area of Bay ridge is Ghetto but they dont talk about it because it is a non black and non hispanic neighborhood same as Marine Park and Sheeps Head Bay. There is a project in the Sheaps head Bay area and you would not be caught there anytime of the day and yet no one calls it Ghetto, I've been there looked at houses in that area so I know. Again anything area that has blacks and hispanics even if everything is the same is considered Ghetto so those areas are pretty much the same yet Canarsie is considered Ghetto and they are not.

Certain parts of Marine Park have hoods, Italian boys standing on street corners smoking and chasing people yes I've witnessed it, I've seen it in Bay Ridge but no one ever mentions these things and I guarentee as it is right now let it be hispanics and blacks you'll hear all kinds of stuff about how unsafe it is.

Bay Ridge ghetto? It’s a very expensive ghetto I wish I would have been able to afford ten years ago. Ghetto doesn’t mean black or Hispanic, but ran down, shootings, drug sales happening at any time of the day and night, muggings and robberies from people who live in the area, crackhouses, and so on.... and this you don’t see in Bay Ridge. And sorry but Canarsie, though it has some clean blocks, is for the most part no so clean and not so well maintained.

[Dehumidifier]

Waiting for the northbound B63 on the corner of 86th street and 5th avenue one summer evening several years ago I was shocked to see a large group of youths harassing a small store on the other side of the avenue that was closing up (wise guy got inside the half closed gate, goofing around), knocking over a standing sign, hoisting one fellow up on top of the awning in front of Burger King and then, the whole group of them marching in one door and out the other, as splotches of what looked like mustard suddenly appeared on the windows. It was mostly tomfoolery, no serious damage. They had to be high I thought. To the casual observer unfamiliar [Veve0308?) they may have appeared to be Italian but they were not. Definitely Middle Eastern. I don't know why people always refer to Bay Ridge as an Italian area. Historically much more Irish, Scandinavian with large Greek and Lebanese/Syrian in my opinion. Dyker Heights and Bensonhurst were always the more Italian areas.

[Robert.Dinero]

Originally Posted by Dehumidifier

I don't know why people always refer to Bay Ridge as an Italian area. Historically much more Irish, Scandinavian with large Greek and Lebanese/Syrian in my opinion. Dyker Heights and Bensonhurst were always the more Italian areas.

Because I guess "They all look the same"

[pierrepont7731]

Originally Posted by Dehumidifier

Waiting for the northbound B63 on the corner of 86th street and 5th avenue one summer evening several years ago I was shocked to see a large group of youths harassing a small store on the other side of the avenue that was closing up (wise guy got inside the half closed gate, goofing around), knocking over a standing sign, hoisting one fellow up on top of the awning in front of Burger King and then, the whole group of them marching in one door and out the other, as splotches of what looked like mustard suddenly appeared on the windows. It was mostly tomfoolery, no serious damage. They had to be high I thought. To the casual observer unfamiliar [Veve0308?) they may have appeared to be Italian but they were not. Definitely Middle Eastern. I don't know why people always refer to Bay Ridge as an Italian area. Historically much more Irish, Scandinavian with large Greek and Lebanese/Syrian in my opinion. Dyker Heights and Bensonhurst were always the more Italian areas.

Dyker Heights is next door, and Bensonhurst isn't that far away. The Italians that didn't move to Staten Island from Bensonhurst moved to Dyker or Bay Ridge. I won't say that Bay Ridge has a HUGE Italian presence, but there are definitely some there, and not just a little either.

[roseba]

Originally Posted by Robert.Dinero

Bay Ridge ghetto? It’s a very expensive ghetto I wish I would have been able to afford ten years ago. Ghetto doesn’t mean black or Hispanic, but ran down, shootings, drug sales happening at any time of the day and night, muggings and robberies from people who live in the area, crackhouses, and so on.... and this you don’t see in Bay Ridge. And sorry but Canarsie, though it has some clean blocks, is for the most part no so clean and not so well maintained.

1610s, "part of a city in which Jews are compelled to live," especially in Italy, from Italian ghetto "part of a city to which Jews are restricted," of unknown origin. The various theories trace it to: Yiddish get "deed of separation;" a special use of Venetian getto "foundry" (there was one near the site of that city's ghetto in 1516); a clipped form of Egitto "Egypt," from Latin Aegyptus (presumably in memory of the exile); or Italian borghetto "small section of a town" (diminutive of borgo, which is of Germanic origin; see borough). Extended by 1899 to crowded urban quarters of other minority groups (especially blacks in U.S. cities). As an adjective by 1903 (modern slang usage from 1999). Ghetto-blaster "large, portable stereo cassette-player" is from 1982.

[roseba]

Originally Posted by Robert.Dinero

Because I guess "They all look the same"

una faccia una razza!

Name that movie quote.

[roseba]

Originally Posted by pierrepont7731

Dyker Heights is next door, and Bensonhurst isn't that far away. The Italians that didn't move to Staten Island from Bensonhurst moved to Dyker or Bay Ridge. I won't say that Bay Ridge has a HUGE Italian presence, but there are definitely some there, and not just a little either.

I didn't feel that presence when I lived there. It felt more Irish than anything else. I was on 73rd street. It seemed all of 74th were cops and firefighther... universally Irish. Some of the Irish on my block had brogues. There was the little Scandinavian deli, I think on 6th avenue.