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Old 09-29-2012, 03:29 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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The guys in the video said they don't understand why the young brothas can't go from project to project or walk through the project (without something bad going down). To understand it, one has to consider: hundreds or even thousands of fatherless young males in those projects growing up without having a dad in the home who mentors, teach, protects, and take them out to spending quality time together (sports, fishing, camping, biking, hiking, ATV, etc) like the majority of males in other races have. Jailbird dads and married-men dads (has a wife and family but had this baby out in the street as they call it) don't/can't do these things with these young brothas.

Add a mother/grandmother/ or aunt who has to do it all by herself including raise other children she had outside of marriage making her rough road even rougher.

Add the emotional inflammation and instability that is characteristic of the majority of women in this predicament (emotionally abusive:constantly yelling, screaming, cursing, mad, angry, threatening violence),

Add the few acceptable outlets in the community that these women have available to relieve themselves from their daily misery with momentary flashes of happiness: food, spending money as soon as it lands in their hands, drugs, alcohol, sex, (particularly have another baby for the positive attention, congratulations, and pats on the back from the other single mothers in the projects).

Add the emotional turmoil this places upon the children growing up in such households.

This adds up to a generation of young males (and females) who are emotionally disturbed and/or have many other undiagnosed mental issues (borderline personality disorder, oppositional defiance disorder, impulsive control disorder, bi-polar, addictive behaviors, compulsive lying, and suicidal ideation as well but because the community stigma is so strong against suicide it's rare - they'd rather commit homicide instead over someone stepping on their sneakers or someone looking at them wrong, or get into fights and have shoot outs out of boredom since when not having sex there is nothing engaging or mind building for teens in the projects to do other than stand around outside (often listening to loud music) and people-watching before delving into arguments and fighting over nonsense.

Most people in the projects (but certainly not all), from the eldest to the youngest, are clinically depressed (undiagnosed) as can easily be corroborated by spending time in the projects observing as well as talking to the people who live there. They don't acknowledge it as such because that's all they've ever known so it's "normal" to them. I guestimate less than 1% of those "affected" are in any type of ongoing therapy. They will only do enough concerning their mental health to keep the SSI checks coming in such as "yeah, I hear voices and I often feel sad" when questioned by mental health professionals. They're not lying about feeling sad though. How can anybody not feel sad living in those circumstances as described above?

This is the basic reason why the males can't travel from project to project without something bad happening. Only a few will make it out to experience what else the world has to offer. The majority won't but will repeat the same cycle their dad and mom did. This scenario is basically identical, with only minor changes if any, in every Black ghetto/hood in this country.

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I actually agree with a lot of this, but the ? then becomes, what is the solution? How about some LEADERSHIP from Barack Hussein Obama, using the bully pulpit to tell the black "men" in these communities to man up and support your children? It really all starts with the breakdown of the family. The other stuff is all secondary.
Speaking from the pulpit or anywhere else does nothing. There is little you can do with these young people, unfortunately, other than protect others from them.

You can only try to improve the future, that is to say, prevent girls and women from taking that path. That said, this is a lifestyle choice for them and one that is near-impossible to influence in any way. Be advised, if you "think you white" (read: dress and speak appropriately) or if you are in fact white, you will have zero impact there. Because most people who are charged with the task of "managing" such populations have educations ... well, do the math.

You discuss the mothers as though they are victims - "making her rough road even rougher" and so on. These women are not victims, but agents in their own lives. They made choices that are really and truly unfortunate, but CHOICES, rather than actual hardships or "bad luck," they certainly are.

Few people realize, I think, the extensive support and help that is available and offered to women in that position. They attend the required "sessions," go through the few motions that are required, and then take up their post outside the shelter, on the street, with toddler or toddlers in tow -- at midnight.

Granted, that is the case for the worst of them, but they could at the very least refrain from having more children after the initial one. Yet, few will make the responsible choice.
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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It's really Remsen Village.
thats a map term, no1 in reality uses that name, not even the news.
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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Personally I don't know how black are parts of the North BX. Now I don't know if thats considered Crown Heights, Ocean Hill or Brownsville but I strolled down Ralph Ave from Eastern Pkway to Bergen St on a hot afternoon, pretty much everybody I saw was black.
you were in crown heights. thats a black neighborhood. the only thing that isnt black in that neighborhood is the jewish section, and the new transplants moving on the westside of crown heights.

ocean hill, and brownsville are mostly black but have a lot of puerto ricans, and a good number of Dominicans..

you have your Panamanians, and Honduras people as well but they mostly look black.
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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The north-east Bronx is probably just as black. However, I am always there (NE BRONX) at wee hours of the night. At that time, there is not much foot traffic, and you can't really grasp the extent of the blackness. My trip to Brownsville, was in a very crowded avenue, in the afternoon, so everything is on full display.
oh ok cause brownsville has a lot of puerto ricans as well. when i use to go their a lot as a youngster. puerto ricans flags usually were everywhere. But thats just one ethnic Hispanic group.

brownsville is mostly black though.
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Ridgewood, NY
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From what I've seen recently though, East NY has alot more black people than it did ten years ago... Even when I was leaving that area early 90s, the immediate area was pretty mixed mainly Puerto Rican and Black but alot of Dominicans were there and moving in too... Now, it's more Black but it has been somewhat gentrified because the people moving into the new apartments on Pitkin are more lower working class as opposed to section 8 tenants...

Brownsville nowadays I would say is somewhere around 65-70% Black... Still the majority but not what it used to be... There's a ton of Dominicans and also a good amount of Hondurians and Panamians so it's probably why the area looks blacker than what it actually is... Most of the old school Puerto Ricans that have stayed in the city either live in City Line, Cypress Hills, or moved to Woodhaven...
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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From what I've seen recently though, East NY has alot more black people than it did ten years ago... Even when I was leaving that area early 90s, the immediate area was pretty mixed mainly Puerto Rican and Black but alot of Dominicans were there and moving in too... Now, it's more Black but it has been somewhat gentrified because the people moving into the new apartments on Pitkin are more lower working class as opposed to section 8 tenants...

Brownsville nowadays I would say is somewhere around 65-70% Black... Still the majority but not what it used to be... There's a ton of Dominicans and also a good amount of Hondurians and Panamians so it's probably why the area looks blacker than what it actually is... Most of the old school Puerto Ricans that have stayed in the city either live in City Line, Cypress Hills, or moved to Woodhaven...
the only reason why east new york is getting more blacks is because of the new housing boom its going through, which is attracting blacks from other areas(as a majority) of brooklyn. I would also say that east new york probably has more west indians then it did back then also.

puerto ricans are all over the east though. cypress hills is mainly Hispanic with other groups(Dominican/Ecuadorian), all though you can find a sizable Dominican population all over the east.

Also idk if im right or wrong but id guess brownsville has more Panamanians then Dominicans?
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:20 AM
 
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thats a map term, no1 in reality uses that name, not even the news.
Which is true. But that is the name of the area though....to me Avenue A and B I call it Canarsie.
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Old 09-30-2012, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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Bet you I've been to more places than you. There is not one area of the city I have not been to.
You've been out to SI? Props to you. There are plenty of people who have been to every borough except here.
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Old 09-30-2012, 05:54 PM
 
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Which is true. But that is the name of the area though....to me Avenue A and B I call it Canarsie.
50 years ago i lived right at the junction of ave a and linden blvd where it met church ave,. I went to ps 233
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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Which is true. But that is the name of the area though....to me Avenue A and B I call it Canarsie.
What? How r ave A, and B Canarsie? Canarsie ends at ditmas. Canarsie has a obvious boarder as well.
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