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Old 12-13-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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Yeah I don't agree with that either to be honest

Just because there are more white people in the Bronx and upper Manhattan now than 20 years ago doesn't mean that the Dominican population will mostly disappear, at least not any time soon

And who knows, maybe some of them will even learn to ice skate.
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Old 12-13-2015, 12:54 PM
 
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You are all missing the point that, as a destination center, the KNIC will bring people into the area who will spend money locally generating economic opportunity for the businesses and residents. That is why the community board supports it. Economic development (Jobs) for locals and safer streets are a good thing for the community and the Bronx as a whole. The Zoo, Botanical Gardens, and Yankee Stadium do all of this, too.
The community board shouldnt only be interested in bringing outside people especially to that particular area. The outsiders will come, create more traffic issues and decrease quality of life for all the locals. The area is not built to be a major commercial hub.

Will they spend money at the bodegas, and hole in the wall restaurants? Maybe a little, or they can hop back on the highway by waiting for stop light after stop light, and go north to Ridgehill Mall, or south to anywhere else.

An ice rink even a huge one will not create that many well paying jobs. Youth Coaches dont make a lot. Unless the custodians, cashiers, and rink attendants are all unionized, they wont make much either. And if you do want to pay them well, the fees will be higher, and potential customers will look elsewhere.
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Old 12-13-2015, 12:56 PM
 
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And who knows, maybe some of them will even learn to ice skate.
That is why the FMCP aquatic center, and World Ice is the model they should follow.
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Old 12-13-2015, 12:59 PM
 
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Yeah the point is that we don't want another zoo, botanical garden, or stadium. That is precisely what I think the community is trying to avoid. With such a large part of Bronx residents living in poverty the price of admission to these places put all three out of reach of the average Bronx family. They actually act as just tourist destinations. Tourists and folks from Manhattan are the only ones who get to enjoy perhaps the three nicest things about the Bronx. Tickets for the botanical garden, zoo, and cheaps seats at Yankee Stadium run $30 each. That's a utility or phone bill for a family, and most families don't have that kind of disposible income to begin with. The problem is that the botanical garden, zoo, and yankee stadium give very little back to the community in this sense, and so Bronx residents want that to be different with whatever comes out of the armory.
Well when Fresh Direct got the deal to come to the Bronx and when certain activists opposed it, the city, state, and court system did not give a hoot what the community in the Bronx wanted.

It is the same way with the armory.

What the community will have to address is why are they so poor?

What's really going on? They have excellent train service to Manhattan.

Is it lack of education? Racial discrimination? Laziness? Bad culture? A number of these factors.

Why should the garden, zoo, or stadium give back to the community? They are attractions for ALL NEW YORKERS! And at the same time Bronx residents should be above begging for crumbs.

Address the root causes on poverty in the Bronx and then you'll be able to afford to see a baseball game or go to the zoo.

Anyway the South Bronx is starting to gentrify and you'll end up having displacement of the population.
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