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Old 09-13-2012, 10:22 PM
 
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How about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?!
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:25 PM
 
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Believe me, part of it indeed concerns personal freedom. But, when one uses freedom in a wrong way, it should be regulated for the benefit of others.
If you're deciding the right way and wrong way to use freedom, it isn't really freedom. "You're free do do what you want, as long as I approve" is NOT freedom.

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For those who don't take it well, please refer to the path of anti-cigarettes regulation in the past.
Cigarette smoke bothers everyone around. I still don't approve of banning smoking in private places (even if open to the public) but there's more justification to that than a soda ban. If I drink 32 oz of coke, YOU don't get fat.

So, have the lawsuits started yet?
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:28 PM
 
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How about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?!
Oh no! But that would make sense!! We can't have any of that.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:45 PM
 
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How about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?!
Sure, how about world peace while we are at it...

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• Almost 6 in 10 New York City residents are either overweight or obese.
• Almost 4 in 10 public school children (kindergarten through 8th grade) are overweight or obese.

The reality is 'personal responsibility' is not working.

If this can maybe one day lead to a decrease in the prevalence of obesity, let it be.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:06 PM
 
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Sure, how about world peace while we are at it...

Adults
• Almost 6 in 10 New York City residents are either overweight or obese.
• Almost 4 in 10 public school children (kindergarten through 8th grade) are overweight or obese.

The reality is 'personal responsibility' is not working.

If this can maybe one day lead to a decrease in the prevalence of obesity, let it be.
I guess you missed the study that just came out that showed obese kids actually consumed less calories than normal-weight kids. So until we actually have the human metabolism figured out down to every freaking detail (we're not even close, FYI), any claim that compromises on personal freedom are for the good of society are just a dolled-up attempts at a power grab.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:42 PM
 
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I don't care because it's not my problem anymore.

You can all go to Hell and I'm going to Texas.
OK, but watch out for those new privatized toll roads, Ya all. That can eat up a lot of soda money.

Toll Road Offers Fast Cash to Texas - WSJ.com

As far as obese kids, where are the parents? Are we going to send monitors home after school to make sure the parent(s) are doing the right thing? Or we could fine the parents of overweight kids. Life is about exercising personal responsibility. How much of the nanny state do we want?

How about some limits on booze, snacks, etc. No more than 1 snack per store visit sir. Put the twinkie's back, or do I have to call security.

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Old 09-13-2012, 11:53 PM
 
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OK, but watch out for those new privatized toll roads, Ya all. That can eat up a lot of soda money.

Toll Road Offers Fast Cash to Texas - WSJ.com
I'm not in an income bracket where toll fees would intrude on my soft drink budget. So when I'm going 85mph on a road trip to Austin on the toll roads I'll have a giant cherry limeade from Sonic in my cup holder.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:01 AM
 
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As far as obese kids, where are the parents? Are we going to send monitors home after school to make sure the parent(s) are doing the right thing? Or we could fine the parents of overweight kids. Life is about exercising personal responsibility. How much of the nanny state do we want?

How about some limits on booze, snacks, etc. No more than 1 snack per store visit sir. Put the twinkie's back, or do I have to call security.
Assuming that a kid is over-weight due to over-eating (which is not always the case), that's not my problem. If parents don't parent well, that's not my problem either. It's not my place to tell them how or what to eat, they can face the consequences of their own actions. I don't feel bad about that one bit. Same goes for a chain smoker dying of lung cancer, you made your bed now sleep in it.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:33 AM
 
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Personally It's up to the individual to make choices in life not the government. If I wanted to buy a soda at any store in NYC then I should.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:55 AM
 
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I guess you missed the study that just came out that showed obese kids actually consumed less calories than normal-weight kids. So until we actually have the human metabolism figured out down to every freaking detail (we're not even close, FYI), any claim that compromises on personal freedom are for the good of society are just a dolled-up attempts at a power grab.
The recent study I believe you are referring to is based upon NHANES data, and, has its own limitations related to study design and confounding factors, which in turn affect interpretability and generalizability. Further, younger obese children in the studied cohort were in fact consuming more calories than their non-obese, same-aged peers. That's also one study of thousands.

Soda is unhealthy. It has documented negative effects on health. You don't need to "have the human metabolism completely figured out" to discern. Go to PubMed, type in soda, soda intake, soda and weight...

Further, calories derived from carbs, proteins, sugars, and fats are not alike; i.e., 400 calories from salmon and spinach dinner, versus 400 calories from 1 liter of Coke. A biology text can explain in greater detail. Soda has an exorbitantly high amount of calories, all from sugar.

And, as I mentioned earlier, imho, this ban is one step in the right direction, but, of course not the ultimate cure all to address obesity, diabetes, heart disease, etc. Physical activity, general lifestyle, overall diet, portion size, access to healthcare, preventative medicine, (often leading to the social determinants of health discussion), etc. all play a role. Baby steps...

Lastly, power grab for what? For who? With soda? Really? This is no more than a simple attempt to limit absolute excess, a concept that has been progressively force-fed to the American public by profit-driven fast food companies and soft drink makers over the past several decades, all looking to hook the vulnerable. The worse that could happen is that this ban actually ends up improving the long-term health for NYC residents. I'll trade in a 20 oz. soda for that any day.

For immediate release:
June 20, 2012

Chicago – The American Medical Association (AMA), the nation's largest physician group, voted today at its Annual Meeting to adopt policy addressing the obesity epidemic.

"While there is no silver bullet that will alone reverse the meteoric rise of obesity, there are many things we can do to fight this epidemic and improve the health of our nation," said AMA board member Alexander Ding, M.D. "Improved consumer education on the adverse health effects of excessive consumption of beverages containing added sweeteners should be a key part of any multifaceted campaign to combat obesity."

A number of studies have shown that intake of sugar-sweetened beverages has been strongly and consistency associated with increased body weight and a number of health conditions like type 2 diabetes. Sugar-sweetened beverages comprise nearly half of Americans' added sugar intake, and reducing consumption of these beverages is a simple way to reduce intake of added sugar and empty calories.

Entire article can be read here:
AMA Adopts Policy Addressing Obesity, Beverages with Added Sweeteners
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