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There are some coops shareholders pay their own heat.
How did you buy this without verifying this stuff?
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Originally Posted by jcoltrane
How would ANY of us know how YOUR coop functions?
Your question presumes that EVERY coop functions in precisely the same manner. They do not!
You need to inquire with Seller, the coop board, or the management company.
Like someone said, how did you make this purchase w/o knowing ALL the particulars???
I had just assumed electric and cooking gas were not included. All the co-ops I saw definitely didn't include electric, and I figured cooking gas cost would be negligible.
My co-op has a single meter for gas and a single meter for electricity and hundreds of tenants share the gas and electric from these two meters. Both are included as a constant in my maintenance bill and I pay a surcharge only per air conditioner ($15 a month) Of course, heat is included also.
It is nice having a CONSTANT bill covering everything. Add that to a Verizon Triple play and all my communications utilities are constant also. Budgeting become pretty easy. Budgeting become pretty easy. Maintenance + Verizon + Netflix = Total Fixed Expenses
Friend in Queens at the HOWARD co-ops has similar...heat and cooking gas in Maintenance but they keep a separate billing for the electicity. Although it is a single meter, the tenants pay a set amount based on apartment size (# of shares.) She pays, I believe, about $83 a month for electricity with 4 rooms...Winter and Summer.
(So Jack, if you bought in the Howard on 66th Road, I answered your question.)
Tenants ultimately pay LESS with a single meter becasue Con-Ed makes deals with large purchasers, because they need only read one meter, send out ONE bill, keep track of ONE account instead of hundreds with a large co-op individually metered. Even builders benefit by not needing to put in hundreds of gas and electric meters...they don't come cheap.
Of course that means that some are wasteful. If I had to pay for every Kwhr, I would have been FAR less comfortable this Summer. My AC was rarely off...I treat it like Central Air.
Some people here leave their lights on 24 hours a day, not me.
Jack,
Just call your management company and ask how electricity and gas are paid? Easy Peasy.
Thanks. I looked through the offering plan (does anyone actually even read this?), and it looks like Brooklyn Union Gas Company takes care of the gas and ConEd takes care of the electric, both of which are the tenants responsibility. I don't know if it's changed since it was written, but I guess I'll find out.
Jack,
Alterntively, you can go downstairs to the meter room. If you find gas and electric meters with your apartment number, odds are good you will be sending two extra checks each month. (Big pain in the ass.)
My last gas bill was 1987 and it for cooking gas only in a rental. What INFURIATED me each month was to see:
Gas SERVICE fee: $5.50
Gas USAGE: $.17
Total $ 5.67.
Thus the actual cost of gas used was 3% of the bill.
Thanks. I looked through the offering plan (does anyone actually even read this?), and it looks like Brooklyn Union Gas Company takes care of the gas and ConEd takes care of the electric, both of which are the tenants responsibility. I don't know if it's changed since it was written, but I guess I'll find out.
Yes, I read mine in it's entirety.
Brooklyn Union gas is national Grid for years already.
Our co-op, here in brooklyn, we pay our own electric, and just gas for the stove.
heat & hot water and real etstae taxes are included in the maintenance
I have a Co-op in queens with 1 water meter supplying 100 families. Out of the 100 there are 40 shareholders with a washing machine, Now water and sewer rates went up, and the board only wants to charge the 40 with the increase. They are saying
the washing machines are using more water how can they tell with 1 water meter supplying 100 families. Is that fair. Or should all bear the cost.
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I have a Co-op in queens with 1 water meter supplying 100 families. Out of the 100 there are 40 shareholders with a washing machine, Now water and sewer rates went up, and the board only wants to charge the 40 with the increase. They are saying
the washing machines are using more water how can they tell with 1 water meter supplying 100 families. Is the fair. Or should all bear the cost.
Sounds fair to me. All the previous years, the owners without washing machines have essentially been subsidizing the owners who do have machines. Now it's time to even things out a little.
Ok maybe i didn't explain it right we are already paying for the washing machine cost of $16.50 a month which they want to add on another $13.50. Also the sprinkler system that is supplying 50 2 story co-op buildings are also on that water meter
that is a lot of property to water so who is paying for that.
I have a Co-op in queens with 1 water meter supplying 100 families. Out of the 100 there are 40 shareholders with a washing machine, Now water and sewer rates went up, and the board only wants to charge the 40 with the increase. They are saying
the washing machines are using more water how can they tell with 1 water meter supplying 100 families. Is that fair. Or should all bear the cost.
This is 100% fair!
The same way there is a surcharge for Air conditioners and Deep Freezers, there is a surcharge for washing machines too. When I was in NYCHA we had surcharges for them per tenant on top of what ever the flat rent was. Coops is the same and I am surprised there wasn't a surcharge all along.
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Originally Posted by joehand1022
Ok maybe i didn't explain it right we are already paying for the washing machine cost of $16.50 a month which they want to add on another $13.50. Also the sprinkler system that is supplying 50 2 story co-op buildings are also on that water meter
that is a lot of property to water so who is paying for that.
If the price of water goes up the charge is passed on to the tenant that uses more water. Its fair.
Of course you can always lie and say the machine does not work and keep using it without them knowing
The same way there is a surcharge for Air conditioners and Deep Freezers, there is a surcharge for washing machines too. When I was in NYCHA we had surcharges for them per tenant on top of what ever the flat rent was. Coops is the same and I am surprised there wasn't a surcharge all along.
If the price of water goes up the charge is passed on to the tenant that uses more water. Its fair.
Of course you can always lie and say the machine does not work and keep using it without them knowing
Ok, You say the charge gets pass on to the tenant that uses more water. Let me give you a scenario i am two with a washer that i use once a week. My next door neighbor is 5 without a washer. And the DEP says the most water is used in the bathroom. So who is using more water on a daily basis. We also have tenants
that go on vacation for 6 months out of the year. Should they also paid the extra surcharge for the washer they are not using.
Ok, You say the charge gets pass on to the tenant that uses more water. Let me give you a scenario i am two with a washer that i use once a week. My next door neighbor is 5 without a washer. And the DEP says the most water is used in the bathroom. So who is using more water on a daily basis. We also have tenants
that go on vacation for 6 months out of the year. Should they also paid the extra surcharge for the washer they are not using.
Everyone have different scenarios that caters differently and management cannot make everyone happy or no one will be happy.
For instance when I was in NYCHA I was among the lines of the tenant that goes away for months at a time. I still had to pay for the washing machine even though I wasn't there using it for 3 months straight. Hell they even charged me the air condition fee all year round even though it was unplugged and removed from the window during fall, winter and spring.
I would just lie and say the machine is broken so they stop charging you for it. but hey that just me (my life experience is that honesty get you screwed in the end) lol.
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