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Old 10-11-2007, 03:23 PM
 
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what we need to do is give condoms out to prevent all these young kids from having kids. That will slow the population growth.
I don't think that is the main problem. I would say people having more children than they could afford is a problem. If I was rich I would want like 10 kids. Why not.
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Old 10-11-2007, 05:49 PM
 
Location: manhattan
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no, NYC population has shown very little increase in the last 60 years, your conclusions are faulty
Big Apple, Southern cities tops in growth - USATODAY.com
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Old 10-13-2007, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Confines of the 101 Precinct
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they actually need to regulate the zoning so that these developers dont overbuild on the lots trying to make a buck....this is how neighborhoods get ****ed up.
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Old 10-13-2007, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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LOL, "stop accepting more people"? How on earth would they do that? It's not like you have to pass through a gate and show a ticket and there's a guard there who could say "Sorry, ma'am, New York City is full. We're not letting anyone else in!"
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Old 10-13-2007, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Scarsdale, NY
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the first time NYC showed a population gain in 50 years was in the 2000 census, check your facts before commenting
Actually, I did check my facts... And a link was even posted to prove it to you.
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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I think there will be a major demographic shift much sooner than many of you think. Many poor in upper manhattan, the bronx, and other "ghetto" areas will be forced out of NYC completely as a result. It is happening in one fell swoop in many areas. Very easy to get rid of the poor here. Simple as pie.

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Tight rental market. Insane competition for apts, even at "outrageous" rents and/or in "sketchy" areas.

Renovation of existing housing stock/new construction for middle class and wealthy.

Wholesale displacement of the poor. Happening as we speak, as landlords/corps buy up or renovate existing buildings, get the poor people out by any means necessary. More middle class move in, areas get more gentrified, even more middle class move in. Prices increase. More wealthy move in. And so on...

It's already happened here in the last few decades to a dramatic degree...look at the transformation of Manhattan and parts of the other boroughs. It is happening more and more rapidly now. Very rapidly.

But there is room for more residents, since many many low rise buildings esp in Manhattan are being replaced with high rises.
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Old 10-16-2007, 01:05 AM
 
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they actually need to regulate the zoning so that these developers dont overbuild on the lots trying to make a buck....this is how neighborhoods get ****ed up.
How could developers possibly "overbuild" in a place like NYC? There is so much housing demand. The only ****ed up thing about zoning regulation are the NIMBYers who own the property, who make huge $$$ by keeping the lots underdeveloped in relation to the demand.

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I think there will be a major demographic shift much sooner than many of you think. Many poor in upper manhattan, the bronx, and other "ghetto" areas will be forced out of NYC completely as a result. It is happening in one fell swoop in many areas. Very easy to get rid of the poor here. Simple as pie.

Factors:

Tight rental market. Insane competition for apts, even at "outrageous" rents and/or in "sketchy" areas.

Renovation of existing housing stock/new construction for middle class and wealthy.

Wholesale displacement of the poor. Happening as we speak, as landlords/corps buy up or renovate existing buildings, get the poor people out by any means necessary. More middle class move in, areas get more gentrified, even more middle class move in. Prices increase. More wealthy move in. And so on...

It's already happened here in the last few decades to a dramatic degree...look at the transformation of Manhattan and parts of the other boroughs. It is happening more and more rapidly now. Very rapidly.

But there is room for more residents, since many many low rise buildings esp in Manhattan are being replaced with high rises.
Very easy? How can their Section 8 vouchers, Public Housing, and other housing subsidies be taken away? Section 8 and public housing alone combine to make almost 10% of the NYC population.
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Old 10-16-2007, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Queens
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what we need to do is give condoms out to prevent all these young kids from having kids. That will slow the population growth.
lol true that. NYC can handle the population growth, but Manhattan will have to handle most of the people streaming into the city. So, instead of building out, they build up. And this trend will continue as long as NYC maintains its hype.
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Old 10-16-2007, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Atlantic Highlands NJ/Ponte Vedra FL/NYC
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Actually, I did check my facts... And a link was even posted to prove it to you.
I never saw a link and if you check the US census data from 1950 through 2000 you will see that NYC'a population was stagnent, no increases and some slight declines. Like I stated the increase in the 2000 figures was the first increase in population in NYC since 1950
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Old 10-16-2007, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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How could developers possibly "overbuild" in a place like NYC? There is so much housing demand. The only ****ed up thing about zoning regulation are the NIMBYers who own the property, who make huge $$$ by keeping the lots underdeveloped in relation to the demand.



Very easy? How can their Section 8 vouchers, Public Housing, and other housing subsidies be taken away? Section 8 and public housing alone combine to make almost 10% of the NYC population.
There IS a limit to how much housing you can build in this city. It's not all that big geographically, esp Manhattan, which also has a lot of commercial space. One of the reasons demand is so high is precisely because there is a limit to how much housing can be built here.

Section 8 is very hard to get onto, to put it mildly. It's a federally funded program (though each state handles the specifics), so do the math re: our current admin's priorities. Landlords can also opt out of the program as far as I know when they can command higher rents. I daresay that no landlord would welcome Section 8 tenants if they can renovate and get more in rent as a result. And apts don't have to be 100 percent section 8--in my b/f's building it is currently about one third of the tenants. That's the general idea behind section 8's--as a viable alternative to the segregated projects.

Public housing can be "worked around." All the boroughs have them, even cheek to jowl in "better" areas.

And I wouldn't count on public housing being intact indefinitely either. One change in the wind...the dept of homeless services is turning away people they claim can stay with friends and relatives. But guess what? If they stay in Section 8 apts with other residents, they can probably all get evicted for overcrowding. I'm also assuming there's wait lists for the public housing projects as well.

Look how the middle income housing developments are being dismantled (Peter Cooper Village, Stuy Town) as well as those owners/landlords opting out of the Mitchell Lama Program. Never say never--the disparity between someone paying very low rent due to stabilization while a neighbor pays three times as much is not likey to be "tolerated"--and the transformation is already well underway. As soon as rents hit $2000, rent stabilization no longer applies anyway, far as I know.

As for the non-section 8 residents, as rents go up (yes, even in the Bronx), they may have to move on and move out. The Bronx is the last stop for the poorest in the city. After that, there's nowhere to go. People are being driven out of their apts systematically (think Pinnacle Group just for starters).
Even "cheap," rent stabilized Bronx apts can be beyond the reach of the working poor.
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