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there is no black and white even in the castle doctrine when someone is shot. its all just different shades of gray. even if you are found innocent there is always a civil suit to deal with.
innocence can cost you every penny you own or earn.
That's a lot less likely to happen with the CD than without it especially inside your own home. It removes the requirement in your home to retreat first and the ability to sue. Outside your home may be a different story.
Still, I'd much rather defend my family and home from a bad guy inside my home in TX than NYC.
In the case of a disaster so severe that you'd need to use a gun to defend yourself, it's probably a better idea to leave the city entirely.
Well considering it's basically a series of islands, by the time it's clear things are that bad you may not be able to leave.
While law and order seemed to hold for the most part, I think if things kept getting worse vs. improving, it had the potential to turn ugly. I have no problem with a background check or a waiting period, the only thing that's putting me off is the price. I would also take the responsibility very seriously just as I do driving a car. I'd go for training, refresh the training periodically and leave the gun unloaded unless there was an emergency situation.
I think they should lower the permit application fee. How does it compare with other places' fees?
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e) In neighborhoods surrounding the projects, police presence is practically non-existent and things can take a turn for the worst rather quickly. Example: defecation in the hallways. quote]
Well considering it's basically a series of islands, by the time it's clear things are that bad you may not be able to leave.
While law and order seemed to hold for the most part, I think if things kept getting worse vs. improving, it had the potential to turn ugly. I have no problem with a background check or a waiting period, the only thing that's putting me off is the price. I would also take the responsibility very seriously just as I do driving a car. I'd go for training, refresh the training periodically and leave the gun unloaded unless there was an emergency situation.
I think they should lower the permit application fee. How does it compare with other places' fees?
That's a lot less likely to happen with the CD than without it especially inside your own home. It removes the requirement in your home to retreat first and the ability to sue. Outside your home may be a different story.
Still, I'd much rather defend my family and home from a bad guy inside my home in TX than NYC.
try shooting an unarmed bad guy in the back in your home as he attempted to flee when he saw you . let us know what that cost you in legal fees and how black and white your case is. .
You bring up good questions. With the premise permit as far as NY/NYC is concerned, applies to the inside of your home. You cannot stand on your driveway, on the doorstep, and in some cases even be inside your garage with the gun in the event that your about to be robbed or looted. Try this and you can and will be arrested for "menacing" with your pistol if someone happens to walk by and somehow feel threatened at the sight of your gun, even if you aren't pointing it at anyone. Sucks doesn't it?
In a gun friendly state where castle doctrine is the law, you can use deadly force to protect your property, whether it be your car or your front/back yard. Either way, the burden of proof is on you to prove that you felt that your life was in danger and that you had to use deadly force. If you shoot the bad guy dead inside your home, as far as NY is concerned, the burden of proof is on you to prove that you were being attacked and that you believed that your life was in danger, just be sure that you don't shoot him in the back otherwise the courts will find a way to prove that you shot out of malice and intent to kill, not for self defense.
On the other hand the castle doctrine laws, even stand your ground laws can be abused, just like in the Trayvon Martin case in Florida.....but then again, the court and the jury will decide the outcome of your future!
nyc believe it or not is a castle doctrine state.
you are required to retreat also in your home, preferably to a safe room.. its when that safe room is breached all elements of black and white are removed criminally but not civily.
I chime in on this one i did get a socalled permit to keep a pistol in the house Now it was a little bit of a wait to get it and i do keep it in a safe in the place .
As one person said it not that hard to get one if everything comes back clean .Now in my case i had been involved in two shooting and both came back basic self defense by the local sheriff dept and the police dept .The only thing the only asked about was the shooting back in 99 when the guy tried to run me over with a car after running down a motorcycle officer who had did a traffice stop in front of the club .
She asked about the details about it and i explained to her in a quick 30 second brief how and why i did what i did .She goes ok and it was approved .
NYS will never voluntarily relax in gun control laws. However the courts may shove a change down it's throat. There are cases already percolating up the federal judical food chain, filed by the same people who argued Heller and McDonald, challenging the NYS laws.
I think at some point, when all the various challenges in the various states get worked out, something of a national "Shall Issue" system will develop. This would mean that unless someone fit certain very specific criteria (like having a felony conviction), they would automatically have to be allowed to own/carry guns.
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