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Old 10-15-2007, 08:58 PM
DAS
 
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My point is there are so many people here already no one has to help anyone locate here. It's not about black & white anymore. It's about just find a place that you can afford, where ever you are comfortable. There is no need to defend one boro over the next one, or one area over the next one. The rich can pick where ever they want. If they are looking for adventure or whatever. The only problem with that is that they can pick a building pay 2 years rent straight out, then one of their friends will see that they are ok there and they can come and do the same thing. Before you know it the landlord sees easy money and won't rent to a person that has to pay monthly even if they will pay on time. So leave these areas for those that need them.

When it comes to buying that is another story. The co-ops, condos, brownstones, that the rich buy in gentrifying areas usually cost too much for the residents that were already there anyway.

Does it really matter what someone else thinks of your area or your boro? You know who lives there when you moved there, as long as you are ok with it that is what matters.

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Old 10-15-2007, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Queens
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Somehow I doubt that...and why would we all want to get along? That would be tres boring, mon ami.
Why would we want to argue?
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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It's not an argument...more like a spirited debate. Nothing personal...I have no beef with the mines, so to speak. Sorry for fracturing the usage. What do I know...just a NY Jewgirl trying to get by. But it's not a contest to see who's right or wrong. Opinions are only opinions, and there's no real winner or loser here.

But if you purport to want to "help" others and are sincere about it, scaring people off may be...well hell... maybe it's the best thing really. Anyone naive enough to trust us not to have ulterior motives lurking behind our "opinions" has likely never been here--or much of anywhere for that matter.

Again, I'm no real estate agent. I, too, am trying to be helpful (sometimes against my better judgment, because really I don't want the whole city to become a yuppie paradise). That's kinda what NY'ers do--try to "help"--albeit in their often bossy, know it all fashion.

You present more of the negatives; I present more of the positives. Neither of us are nearly as extreme and dogmatic as Hustla or even Guywithacause (who IMO has little sympathy for the poor here).

The former hates it here and can't wait to move out. The latter is involved in real estate. I am only involved in my own business, and I'm helpful by nature. Who would you "trust" more? And either way, no skin off my nose. I just find this forum diverting and amusing for some reason.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Queens
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^agreed


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Old 03-17-2010, 06:08 PM
 
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Elvira: Who is this thread for? People that want to come here? We already have how many millions? already, and they are expecting how many millions? more by 2010. Why do you feel you have to sell certain neighborhoods. Sooner or later more people will be pushed into all these neighborhoods anyway.
Well you're not going to get "millions more" math or science teachers no matter how many new schools the Bronx opens up with these "don't come here unless you're already independently wealthy" attitudes.

And then you complain about the public schools. What, because no one from NYU or Columbia with a 3.5 or above in either math or science fields wants to teach in what they consider "those rotten public schools" and certainly no one from Johns Hopkins or Harvard or Princeton, either. And very few with a 3.5 GPA from any "lowly" State college, in math or science, would be bothered anyway unless they were desperate because no other job would TAKE them. And then you do what Pennsylvania does and reduce the GPA requirement to 2.75 and you STILL can't get the math and science majors.

I will say the same thing to New York that I said to San Francisco on my way out. You will never be able to GET let alone KEEP "good" teachers unless you find some way to HOUSE them and house the teacher-job-applicants for the number of months, yes months not days, that the processing takes. When you have currently licensed teachers winding up in homeless shelters there's something wrong with your CITY!
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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Pkennedy..we have some of the best teachers here..what we don't have is an efficient and effective public school system. So while you leave San Fransisco, and you poo-poo NYC, I can only imagine where you end up. Big cities and small cities have the same problems..underfunded, beauracratic, highly polarized, and with mostly good kids getting the short end of the stick. Anyone who aspires to teach and gets into $150,000+ debt at Harvard, at the end of the day, would not take a $35K salary at a public school anywhere in the country....which has nothing to do with NYC.

There is nothing wrong with our city, you simply are incapable of understanding the underlying issues.
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Old 03-19-2010, 02:16 AM
 
Location: NY,NY
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Pkennedy..we have some of the best teachers here..what we don't have is an efficient and effective public school system. So while you leave San Fransisco, and you poo-poo NYC, I can only imagine where you end up. Big cities and small cities have the same problems..underfunded, beauracratic, highly polarized, and with mostly good kids getting the short end of the stick. Anyone who aspires to teach and gets into $150,000+ debt at Harvard, at the end of the day, would not take a $35K salary at a public school anywhere in the country....which has nothing to do with NYC.

There is nothing wrong with our city, you simply are incapable of understanding the underlying issues.

Sorry, I just had to comment.

The "underlying issues" of what?

Greed, Corruption and incompetence?

"underfunded"???

We have a BILLION dollar school system! Where is the underfunding? The school system is NOT underfunded!

There is a LOT wrong with this city!

The things that are wrong with the city are not a matter of funding, but rather, greed, corruption and incompetence.

Plain and simple.
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Old 03-19-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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Don't apologize for commenting..that's the point of this site. The underfunding is due to beauracracy, greed, corruption..the list goes on and on..it has nothing to do with NYC, and a product of the way our entire system is set up and run. While that poster claims there is something wrong with NYC, the reality is there is ALOT wrong with the entire system. Why poo poo NYC as if it is somehow the only one with problems? Name me a city you think has everything right...and does not suffer from greed, corruption, or incompetence?

NYC has problems, but so does everywhere else. Plain and simple.
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:02 PM
 
Location: NY,NY
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Don't apologize for commenting..that's the point of this site. The underfunding is due to bureaucracy, greed, corruption..the list goes on and on..it has nothing to do with NYC, and a product of the way our entire system is set up and run. While that poster claims there is something wrong with NYC, the reality is there is ALOT wrong with the entire system. Why poo poo NYC as if it is somehow the only one with problems? Name me a city you think has everything right...and does not suffer from greed, corruption, or incompetence?

NYC has problems, but so does everywhere else. Plain and simple.
incompetence = bureaucracy

bureaucracy = incompetence


Greed, corruption and incompetence are a part of the human condition. No argument there; but it's a question of the level of such, and the inherent nature of a city's government.

There ARE cities in this nation that suffer a great deal LESS from the above than most. The frank reality is that large northeastern cities suffer to the greatest degree from the above 3 ills (greed/corruption/incompetence/bureaucracy).

There are reasons for this. To comprehend them one must delve into the history, and the history of development. The documentary "Manhattan" is a good easy start. The most interesting thing to note is the development (or depending on the point of view, the devolvement) of American politics. The documentary does a good job of highlighting the advancement of NYC politics from the New Amsterdam stage through the era of the great immigration. It shows how Manhattan (and by extrapolation American) WASP dominated politics was overcome by the sheer weight of the numbers of immigrants. In NYC's case and in the case of most northeastern cities, the weight of the Irish took over politics and with it the values of the city and nation were altered.

In short and in effect, Government, both city and state; and eventually National, began an era of 'panderment' (my term for 'pandering to the masses') which continues to this day. Democracy become 'broken' during this period and continues so to this day.

Until this period of the Irish ascention to American politics, "pandering", specifically pandering to the "poor" was not a significant part of the American politic. Such changed everything.

This is rather deep historical and political stuff, but suffice it to say that NY and Boston are the focal points of broken, cities, broken government, as well as the decline of American government.

JFYI, this "panderment" was solidified during the turn of the century/post WW I period with the influx of European Jews immigrating into this country and specifically into our north eastern cities.

Europe and consequently European Jews were very politicized and quite Socialistic in their politics. Very quickly European Socialistic ideas were interjected into the local politics of the day. The birth of American Unions were during this period. American capital and labor have never been the same. Of course, to a lot of great and needed benefit, but such benefit came with quite a politically negative price----eventually, effecting American business structure, the consequences which are only being fully effected today. To this I mean the abdication of the WASP aestheticism in business and politics; and, the ascension of the Corporation in business. Panderism, bureaucratism, and corporatism, are the ills of our society.

This is all rather deep stuff, perhaps not appropriate for a forum such as this. In any event, simply put it is the "pandering" and "socialistic" politics which developed in the big cities, such as New York, Boston and Chicago, which have altered and dominated the nation, beginning at the turn of the century continuing to present.

So, to think, for example, 'look at St. Louis, or Memphis, or Detroit' and then question 'why pick on NYC', is simply to miss the heart of the issue, or to obfuscate.

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The underfunding is due to bureaucracy, greed, corruption..the list goes on and on..it has nothing to do with NYC
Again, there is NO "underfunding". NOTHING in NYC is underfunded. The revenues of this city and this state are more than adequate.

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what we don't have is an efficient and effective public school system
Quite correct; but inefficient and ineffective doesn't not equate to "underfunded". Over a BILLION dollars is spent on education in this city. That is NOT underfunding. It is wasted money!

What does that have to do with anything BUT NYC? If a city, if NYC can't properly educate its children with a BILLION plus dollars, then frankly it should stop trying. No point in throwing good money after bad.
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Old 03-19-2010, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Sorry...but Flatbush Gardens is a project.
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