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If the Black communities promote Jay-z as role model, the Black's graduation rate will go down to single digital in 3 short years. Mark my words.
Blacks should look up to Dr. Ben Carson as their role model. Dr. Carson was born in Detroit ghetto, was raised by single mother, struggled academically throughout elementary school. He became a world renown neural surgeon and winner of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Ben Carson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm not black. But Dr. Carson is one of my heroes. Watch "Gifted Hands".
What a great man with a great story. Of course after he spoke at the National Prayer Day Breakfast (Obama was seated next to him) the race-baiters attacked him for being an "Uncle Tom".
While many people will definitely not be Ivy League grads, and while your post is accurate, and we are on the NYC forum where you cannot live here comfortably on low wage jobs. All the jobs you are listing require at least an associates degree, and most bachelors to be able to make a decent living in those fields.
There are manufacturers that need people with specialized degrees and can't find enough people. People think about the old construction workers that didn't have much formal education but were skilled trades people.
In order to get that skill they need to read, write, and understand mathematics on a college level. They must pass certain science courses. In retail they must be able to understand and apply basic management skills to rise higher and earn a good salary.
However we continue to just mention these jobs as no college required, and give people the wrong impression. Some people that work construction are only laborers that clean up the mess after the skilled workers are finished, they go from job to job and are unemployed most of the time. A person can go to a vocational HS, if there are any left, and then go on to an associates and make a very good salary, and even go into business for themselves as some point.
Most people in hospitality (restaurants, bars, hotels) do not have degrees, and this is in NYC itself. Most people in retail don't have degrees. The bulk of jobs in NYC are LOW WAGE jobs. Someone has to do them in order for the city to FUNCTION.
Its why promoting education doesn't make sense. If everyone got a degree, you've devalued the value of a degree. If everyone has a degree, it means people who work in the supermarket as a stockboy have a degree.
Education is not meant to uplift the masses by the way. Universities are gatekeepers. They screen out people they consider inferior. Since most people won't get a degree (only 25% of Americans have a bachelor) the people who have a degree are made more valuable because they are RARER.
Professional licenses and other certifications are also gatekeepers. They screen out inferior candidates or the unqualified, leaving a much smaller group of qualified people who are of a better calibur for the field. Ex., if a doctor turns out to have an alcohol or a drug problem, they can lose their license . Who wants to be treated by a crackhead doctor? Or if you have certain other problems, you won't get that license either.
Back to Blacks and Latinos, most Blacks and Latinos will remain poor. As most people of any group are poor and will remain that way. Someone has to be a janitor, someone has to be a cashier, someone has to drive the garbage truck, someone has to work in the dishroom, someone has to work in construction, someone has to be a nanny, someone has to do deliveries, someone has to do telemarketing,etc.
Upper middle class people, themselves a minority of the population of any country, like to pretend there's some alternative universe where the whole world can avoid doing manual labor or other crappy jobs. Here's a newsflash. It can't be avoided. Most people will remain working class/blue collar.
It is not about "to be a doctor". It is about reading books, working hard, getting educated. Poverty, ghetto, single parent household is not the excuses for not graduating for schools. Dr. Carson is a great example of underdog can be a champion. He should be the role model for many disadvantage kids.
He should not be. Most of those disadvantaged kids, when they grow up, will take whatever manual labor/blue collar jobs they can get. Someone has to work in McDonalds. Someone has to be the home health aide . Someone has to work in Macy's. Someone has to drive a trick for a living . Someone has to be the bartender/waiter. Someone has to clean floors.
That is the reality for what most people will end up doing as adults.
Education, particularly post secondary, is extremely expensive. Universities, particularly the top programs, make money by rejecting the majority of applicants and taking the application fees.
The system needs most people to take LOW END, LOW WAGE jobs.
And lastly, not everyone is a good student. There's such a thing as talent. This is true of all groups of people, a big percentage of people are not naturally talented enough to do certain things (do well in math and science is one, example, there are plenty of other examples of professions that require talent, such as entertainment, business, politics, etc). You cannot teach talent, the person either has it or they don't.
Comments claiming that "promoting education" is not happening are sadly ignorant. Indeed, this is taking place increasingly and aggressively. And there is no way in which "Monroe College" or its colleagues are compromising the value of a degree from a decent venue.
Moreover, "blacks and latinos" are not more naturally suited to do working-class jobs. Such assertions are preposterous. Intellectual gifts, or any sort of gifts for that matter, cut across every population. But those lacking significant family money are unjustly shut out from anything other than menial or working-class employment. Or administration if they are very very lucky.
Comments claiming that "promoting education" is not happening are sadly ignorant. Indeed, this is taking place increasingly and aggressively. And there is no way in which "Monroe College" or its colleagues are compromising the value of a degree from a decent venue.
Moreover, "blacks and latinos" are not more naturally suited to do working-class jobs. Such assertions are preposterous. Intellectual gifts, or any sort of gifts for that matter, cut across every population. But those lacking significant family money are unjustly shut out from anything other than menial or working-class employment. Or administration if they are very very lucky.
What a waste of potential.
Apparently they aren't so preposterous. Let's look at who has the majority of the high paying managerial and creative jobs in this country.
Comments claiming that "promoting education" is not happening are sadly ignorant. Indeed, this is taking place increasingly and aggressively. And there is no way in which "Monroe College" or its colleagues are compromising the value of a degree from a decent venue.
Moreover, "blacks and latinos" are not more naturally suited to do working-class jobs. Such assertions are preposterous. Intellectual gifts, or any sort of gifts for that matter, cut across every population. But those lacking significant family money are unjustly shut out from anything other than menial or working-class employment. Or administration if they are very very lucky.
What a waste of potential.
Not really a waste of potential. SOMEONE HAS TO DO those menial or working class jobs . Yes, access to money is used to screen a huge percentage of the population out of the higher paying opportunities. That's how the society functions and it isn't going to change.
He should not be. Most of those disadvantaged kids, when they grow up, will take whatever manual labor/blue collar jobs they can get. Someone has to work in McDonalds. Someone has to be the home health aide . Someone has to work in Macy's. Someone has to drive a trick for a living . Someone has to be the bartender/waiter. Someone has to clean floors.
That is the reality for what most people will end up doing as adults.
Education, particularly post secondary, is extremely expensive. Universities, particularly the top programs, make money by rejecting the majority of applicants and taking the application fees.
The system needs most people to take LOW END, LOW WAGE jobs.
And lastly, not everyone is a good student. There's such a thing as talent. This is true of all groups of people, a big percentage of people are not naturally talented enough to do certain things (do well in math and science is one, example, there are plenty of other examples of professions that require talent, such as entertainment, business, politics, etc). You cannot teach talent, the person either has it or they don't.
They take whatever manual labor job they can get if they are in a position where they have no education and no skills when they become adults. Not because they were born disadvantaged.
If you have to work in McDonalds at least be in the position where you can work your way up to manager and that is easier if you have an associates in Management. If you have to take a training program to be a home health aide and get certified, you might as well take a whole year and become an LPN. If you have to work at Macy's be a manager, or a buyer, or a decorator, all require higher education.
Even an executive housekeeper of an upscale establishment can make 6 figures a year if properly educated and trained.
Even truck drivers need a CDL license which knocked many uneducated truck drivers out of job because of low reading comprehension.
A bartender or waiter if properly trained and skilled can work in the best places in the world but that will require high level of training and decorum in those fields.
All of these positions will allow you to pay rent even a mortgage in some parts of the US. The jobs you are mentioning are jobs that fire you soon after they hire you. They are low wage and definitely will not allow you to pay rent anywhere.
Top programs are designed for the top students. Some people will have to settle for going to lower rated schools for the same programs and working in the trenches for lower paying firms in any field, and eventually hanging out their own shingle. Some programs prepare people for well paying government jobs. But even this will pay a person well enough to make a very good living.
The system does not need people to take lower wage jobs, because the system is saturated with workers that can perform these jobs. Some things do require talent and some require just an inclination along with practice. Most people are capable of learning higher level math, just like people are capable of increasing their reading comprehension and vocabulary. The problem is that most people don't have a firm foundation in mathematics. Children need to learn to multiply to the 20th time not the 13th. Many adults cannot work with percent and decimals. If this is the case, it is virtually impossible to go on and do well with HS math, so by the time they reach college they are out of the game for many math and science based industries.
Also personality, manners and decorum help tremendously along the way and after gaining education and skill. Many people today are underrating those essentials. Only the truly rich can afford to behave like an anus.
Ben Carson is a great American. People like him should go into politics. Instead we get mofos like Weiner.
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