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Accept that the 12% math proficiency figure is a cold hard number; a statement of fact that only a race baiter caught in a losing argument like yorself would call "racist".
Saying that most black students are not proficient in 8th grade math is not racist if various forms of measurements support this. If you strongly think otherwise then please articulate, if you can. Show a recognizable study that presents a 52% elementary school math proficiency and you can prove that I'm wrong. Come on nywriter, I dare you.
Or maybe you would have preferred that these surveys not have segmented performance by demographic.
Now having a large number of people generating "unreported income" assuming this were really the case with the majority of minimum wage earners cannot be good in the big picture for a country's economy as this income is not taxable. Also, there is something wrong with the picture if one needs to be poorer in order to live better by qualifying for more welfare (again assuming this was really the case). In reality mid career workers by and large have access to company-provided health insurance and retirement savings options. They can more readily set aside funds in case of a medical emergency so the whole notion that you need to be poorer to get better healthcare upon emergency (which is only one among many of life's necessities) is nonsense.
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Accept that the 12% math proficiency figure is
Now having a large number of people generating "unreported income" assuming this were really the case with the majority of minimum wage earners cannot be good in the big picture for a country's economy as this income is not taxable. Also, there is something wrong with the picture if one needs to be poorer in order to live better by qualifying for more welfare (again assuming this was really the case). In reality mid career workers by and large have access to company-provided health insurance and retirement savings options. They can more readily set aside funds in case of a medical emergency so the whole notion that you need to be poorer to get better healthcare upon emergency (which is only one among many of life's necessities) is nonsense.
It completely depends on what it one's mid career. Yes, if one has moved up the corporate ladder, become a full time academic, gone the civil service route, gotten some other type of union job, or works in the medical or legal fields one's benefits and savings far outstrip what one can get on medicaid.
Of course, there are legions of "assistant" jobs that require degrees, and that have pretty poor benefits and often no retirement plans. Ditto for other lower level office jobs that also have poor security and benefits. And while you may say these are entry level jobs and in theory they are, for a number of reasons not everyone moves up the corporate ladder.
Even in location, due to programs like 80/20s, NYCHA buildings, etc, some people on welfare are able to live in the most expensive buildings (80 percent luxury housing, and 20 percent poor people) or in some of the most expenive neighborhoods while middle class people have no chance of getting in these places.
The greater majority of households who earn below the minimum wage do not live in 80/20 buildings. This is true in NYC or elsewhere in the US.
But in a NYC context, the greater majority of minimum wage people (those who do it long term) are subsidized, often in multiple forms. They live in 80/20s, Mitchell Llamas, LAMPs, other affordable housing, have partial rent subsidies through Section 8 or often able to maintain rent controlled or rent stabilized housing and this is not counting help from other welfare programs like food stamps, medicaid, public assistance and SSI (people on SSI are allowed to earn up to 1000 a month).
A big portion of Manhattan itself has some sort of subsidy, as 51% of the units are affordable housing (I'm counting rent controlled and rent stabilized in there with NYCHA buildings, Mitchell Llamas, Section 8, LAMPS, 80/20s, etc). And a lot of this is in expensive parts of town.
So an uneducated person, if they are smart on how they fill out their welfare and affordable housing applications, can actually do better than a college graduate legally making 40k-50k a year (the graduate has student loans, most likely). The system in NYC is very flawed, mind you. You were bringing up the cost of living in NYC to say its impossible to live off the minimum wage here. But it is very possible, and huge numbers of people do it, with the help of the various programs I just mentioned. And that's not counting any off the books income they may have.
Another very common fraud in Manhattan is renting out rooms/space in one's rent controlled, rent stabilized, or NYCHA apartments. This won't show up in the stats because this is illegal and the person renting out the rooms would lose their apartment and get busted for welfare fraud. But it happens all the time, to the point where are laws against it and numbers one can report these activities to.
Pretty much people only get caught when someone they know is pissed at them and turns them in.
Now having a large number of people generating "unreported income" assuming this were really the case with the majority of minimum wage earners cannot be good in the big picture for a country's economy as this income is not taxable. Also, there is something wrong with the picture if one needs to be poorer in order to live better by qualifying for more welfare (again assuming this was really the case). /quote]
This is probably a very common practice here in NYC from what I saw and stories that I heard. A lot of small business owners from all race background do this. I was surprised to experience so many cash only transactions here in NYC and part of it is related to tax evasion.
Now having a large number of people generating "unreported income" assuming this were really the case with the majority of minimum wage earners cannot be good in the big picture for a country's economy as this income is not taxable. Also, there is something wrong with the picture if one needs to be poorer in order to live better by qualifying for more welfare (again assuming this was really the case). /quote]
This is probably a very common practice here in NYC from what I saw and stories that I heard. A lot of small business owners from all race background do this. I was surprised to experience so many cash only transactions here in NYC and part of it is related to tax evasion.
Oh, of course. Payments through credit cards are recorded in the businesses bank account and traceable by the government. And you do indeed have a number of small businesses owners of all races participating in this. Particularly when it comes to cheap eateries, bodegas, some bars,
Parent-bashing is a cheap and easy way to point a finger at black and Latino people that excuses all uncaring, ill-prepared and incompetent teachers, schools, and /or educators along the way from their responsibility to educate kids. No one will deny that there are bad, uncaring, incompetent parents. WE've all seen and known them. But every kid only has two of those at the most. They will encounter dozens of bad, racist, ioncompetent educators throughout their lives. And many nof them simply have no idea or what's worse no desire to overcome eother bad parenting or bad schooling--or both.
Sure- blame the teachers. We can't teach the kids whose parents don't want them to learn - or whose parents teach them NOT to pay attention to their TEACHERS. If the parents are raising them to steal from, terrorise or otherwise torment and possibly physically attack their [female] teachers - sure, blame the TEACHERS for not being able to teach through all THAT.
No Ivy League school of education teaches single young women how to avoid getting raped by her teenaged students - and somehow manage to teach MATH through all of that.
Sure- blame the teachers. We can't teach the kids whose parents don't want them to learn - or whose parents teach them NOT to pay attention to their TEACHERS. If the parents are raising them to steal from, terrorise or otherwise torment and possibly physically attack their [female] teachers - sure, blame the TEACHERS for not being able to teach through all THAT.
No Ivy League school of education teaches single young women how to avoid getting raped by her teenaged students - and somehow manage to teach MATH through all of that.
I seriously doubt female teachers getting raped is all that common. There's school security and video cameras. Obviously the teacher knows the kid's name at that.
With that said, yes it can be hard dealing with poorly raised kids, and people need to commend those willing to teach for being willing to deal with children who act like little monsters.
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