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Old 01-07-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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There's actually no solid evidence suggesting that the Soviet union had anything to do with Allende's election. If you knew some Chilean history you would know that Allende ran once before against a centrist (Frei Montalva) and lost to him. He ran a second time, and won by such a small margin that the supreme court of Chile had to weigh in and declare a winner.

Allende was a civilian (medical doctor), who was democratically elected by the people of Chile.
Pinochet was a ruthless military dictator who was helped by the U.S. government to come to power. can't you see the diffrence?
Actually if you read some Chilean history you'd know that Castro's family made regular visits to Chile to oversee the Socialist Party's actions.

And that Allende was elected on his fourth try, not his second.

Why do you think the first thing Allende did once elected was in Feb 1970 sign a scientific and cultural agreement with the USSR? The Mitrokhin Archive is full of KGB information regarding the candidacy of Allende and he had already had contact with Russian intelligence throughout his previous campaigns.

I'm not trying to say that Pinochet wasn't a monster, he was. But I am saying that done condemn the US for getting involved with "Democratic elections" when Cuba and Russia did the same thing.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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well i bet there are more people who
need assistance in these times than
the people who abuse it too, so what's
the use complaining about it?

it would be much meaner in these
streets if struggling people had any
less than they qualify to get now.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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well i bet there are more people who
need assistance in these times than
the people who abuse it too, so what's
the use complaining about it?
Because the people who abuse it will turn public favor away from wanting to give more to the program so the people who legitimately need it will end up losing out.

Anybody who actually really needs EBT should be furious with the people who are abusing it and using it for things like porn, booze, drugs, and hookers.

On top of all that, you should be able to see that using public money, other people's money, for those purposes is wrong. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:09 PM
 
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^ i guess that's you then lol.


anyway, the government wastes more
of your money on other things than a
few people abusing welfare. smh that's
a little issue.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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^ i guess that's you then lol.
So you don't think it's wrong for people who get public monetary assistence supposedly for food and basic necessities to turn around spend that money on bars, strippers, porn, drugs, cigarettes, and things like that?
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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it's wrong, but what do you want me to do?
worry about it like it's really a major issue?


please. give me a break. those people sux
but they don't phase me. there are a lot of
ignorant ones out there.

are you basing this off one example you
saw or just pure rumor anyway?
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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Actually if you read some Chilean history you'd know that Castro's family made regular visits to Chile to oversee the Socialist Party's actions.

And that Allende was elected on his fourth try, not his second.

Why do you think the first thing Allende did once elected was in Feb 1970 sign a scientific and cultural agreement with the USSR? The Mitrokhin Archive is full of KGB information regarding the candidacy of Allende and he had already had contact with Russian intelligence throughout his previous campaigns.

I'm not trying to say that Pinochet wasn't a monster, he was. But I am saying that done condemn the US for getting involved with "Democratic elections" when Cuba and Russia did the same thing.
This is absolutely and utter non-sense. Cuba is a tiny country compared to Chile, to think or suggest that Castro had anything to do with Allende's election is ludicrous.

So all you get from Wikipedia is that that Allende signed 'a scientific and cultural agreement with the USSR' ? WoW...LOL!!


You got nothing. The Mitrokhin archives are handwritten notes by a KGB agent who later defected. One guy's version of the story.

Google; Project FUBELT, which contains CIA cables, and handwritten notes from the CIA director of the time, informing Nixon of the planned coup.

Chile and the United States: Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973

inform yourself buddy, you need to.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:18 PM
 
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too many people on assistance, and have no shame about it. It is quite sickening.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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it's wrong, but what do you want me to do?
worry about it like it's really a major issue?


please. give me a break. those people sux
but they don't phase me. there are a lot of
ignorant ones out there.
I think it is a major issue because that's what people are going to be bringing up when/if this debate is ever actually held in New York and the amount of abuse of the system will be a major talking point against the furtherance of welfare programs for people who really do need it.

It needs to stop if those programs are going to have a future going forward, because if it isn't checked, it will become so widespread that nobody will be able to support it with a straight face.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:25 PM
 
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too many people on assistance, and have no shame about it. It is quite sickening.
Yeah, ain't it.

Disgusting.
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