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Old 01-07-2016, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Hamptons, Long Island
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Also I was in the Lower East Side visiting a friend and walked past the Alfred E Smith houses on 54 Catherine St in the two bridges area and the Views they have must be nice. I'm surprised they haven't torn these down and put up high-rises because the location is prime.



Absolutely...I know the Smith Houses well, and unfortunately my belief is that within 10 years they won't be there anymore...That whole neighborhood has changed so much, and the real estate is so prime, that if NYC does start demolishing public housing, Smith will be the first to go...mark my words. The rest of the east river projects on the Lower East Side will follow.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:01 PM
 
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Also I was in the Lower East Side visiting a friend and walked past the Alfred E Smith houses on 54 Catherine St in the two bridges area and the Views they have must be nice. I'm surprised they haven't torn these down and put up high-rises because the location is prime.
NYC is the only place in the entire world that gives waterfront property to poor people. Go check out those charming views of the water and city skyline from the Astoria Houses on Vernon Blvd. Some people just get lucky and do okay in life despite any lack of effort on their own part.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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NYC is the only place in the entire world that gives waterfront property to poor people. Go check out those charming views of the water and city skyline from the Astoria Houses on Vernon Blvd. Some people just get lucky and do okay in life despite any lack of effort on their own part.
Perhaps those projects went up when the neighborhood was sketchy and people wouldn't dare walk there or even live there. Most projects were built way before the neighborhoods thery were in were considered 'hot' and 'desirable.'
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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Perhaps those projects went up when the neighborhood was sketchy and people wouldn't dare walk there or even live there. Most projects were built way before the neighborhoods thery were in were considered 'hot' and 'desirable.'

When public housing projects were sited in NYC as elsewhere most were part of "urban renewal" schemes and or to provide housing for current and or returning military (WWII). As such the usual places to get cheap land was to use ED to clear "slums" and up went housing projects.


Lower East Side/East Village along the water front was such a low income/slum/tenement area that was cleared out. Ditto for parts of Hell's Kitchen (area around now what is Lincoln Center), UWS and Harlem (east and west). In places like Brooklyn public housing was placed near the water front because again land was cheap and usually empty at that time. That and or the area was industrial (Red Hook) and no one else really wanted to live over there.


Posted a link to a website awhile ago that had pictures of areas before public housing went up, will see if can still find.


Here ya go: //www.city-data.com/forum/new-y...l#post41643046
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Harlem, NY
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This is why they wanna rezone certain areas. Plethora of projects. I see what the government is doing. Regardless of the rules they De Blasio administration with, it's gonna get done
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:04 PM
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NYC is the only place in the entire world that gives waterfront property to poor people. Go check out those charming views of the water and city skyline from the Astoria Houses on Vernon Blvd. Some people just get lucky and do okay in life despite any lack of effort on their own part.
Years ago most people wouldn't live near the waterfronts because of the huge water rats that would live around the edges of the rivers (with rats disease also followed), and the flooding. That is why the land was cheap.
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:05 PM
 
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This is why they wanna rezone certain areas. Plethora of projects. I see what the government is doing. Regardless of the rules they De Blasio administration with, it's gonna get done

Actually de Boob's plan is two fold. Rezoning *and* making all sorts of "affordable housing" mandatory in such areas he hopes to solve several issues.


In years past the City would just rezone an area and let developers/landlords basically do what they wanted. Now with land scarce and prices for it high NYC cannot afford to play that game for without some sort of carrot and stick you will get mostly or all market rate housing.


Case in point about rezoning is the former Flower District along/around Sixth Avenue from about 23rd to almost 34th Street.


Property owners begged for decades to get the City to rezone that area, but to no avail. Then came Rudy G. Now look at that area. All the former taxpayer parking lots are gone (replaced by high rises), ditto small/low rise buildings (replaced by same).
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:26 PM
 
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Perhaps those projects went up when the neighborhood was sketchy and people wouldn't dare walk there or even live there. Most projects were built way before the neighborhoods thery were in were considered 'hot' and 'desirable.'
You could make that argument about practically anywhere in Manhattan as well if you go back far enough.
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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The Fulton Houses on 16-19th and 9th has to be the dopest NYCHA property of all though. Nestled right between Chelsea Market, an Equinox to go get yo' sweat on, and some of the hottest nightlife spots in the city. Property developers would multiple orgasm in their pantaloons if the city ever kicked out the poor people and tore that sucker down. Not saying they should do that...I find the juxtaposition of "underprivileged" and "way-too-privileged" to be amusing.
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:45 PM
 
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The Fulton Houses on 16-19th and 9th has to be the dopest NYCHA property of all though. Nestled right between Chelsea Market, an Equinox to go get yo' sweat on, and some of the hottest nightlife spots in the city. Property developers would multiple orgasm in their pantaloons if the city ever kicked out the poor people and tore that sucker down. Not saying they should do that...I find the juxtaposition of "underprivileged" and "way-too-privileged" to be amusing.

Another clueless post.....


Fulton Houses went up in 1965 when that part of Chelsea was totally different than today. In fact the area was hoodish late as the 1980's and 1990's. The only "high end" housing over there was London Terrace Apartments.
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