Gang activities and criminal history and the ability to live in NYCHA (apartment)

[LOVEROFNYC]

Maybe this should be posted in the housing forum. My question was inspired by the article detailing the mayhem caused by the gang members who shot the one year old last year.

Most of these guys appeared to have known gang affiliations and based in their involvement in robberies, shootings and other illegal activities. They also seemed to have been residing/hanging around in NYCHA buildings.

Why aren't evictions of entire families who harbor these kind of criminal miscreants not enforced by NYCHA?

Why are these few allowed to create such chaos for the others who live there.

Why are tax payers subsidizing these people? Affordable housing should be for the disabled or people who are trying to get ahead not career criminals who make everyone's lives miserable and unsafe?

https://nypost.com/2021/05/07/trail-...-hoolies-gang/

http://https://nypost.com/2021/05/07...-hoolies-gang/

[elnrgby]

Originally Posted by LOVEROFNYC

Maybe this should be posted in the housing forum. My question was inspired by the article detailing the mayhem caused by the gang members who shot the one year old last year.

Most of these guys appeared to have known gang affiliations and based in their involvement in robberies, shootings and other illegal activities. They also seemed to have been residing/hanging around in NYCHA buildings.

Why aren't evictions of entire families who harbor these kind of criminal miscreants not enforced by NYCHA?

Why are these few allowed to create such chaos for the others who live there.

Why are tax payers subsidizing these people? Affordable housing should be for the disabled or people who are trying to get ahead not career criminals who make everyone's lives miserable and unsafe?







http://https://nypost.com/2021/05/07...-hoolies-gang/

You are 10,000% right - moving repeat criminal offenders permanently from NYCHA to dedicated housing (aka prison) would do miracles for safety, educational/occupational attainment, and upward mobility of poor but normally socialized people (ie, the kind for which NYCHA was originally intended). But in addition to the traditional apathy and laziness of the "public sector" about solving any kind of problem, now there is the militantly woke theory that dangerous criminals only "need our help". Like h*ll they do :-). The first step in removing the infestation with crime from NYCHA buildings would be privatization of NYCHA. Private sector has very limited patience with crime-facilitating baloney (see my recent posts in the NYC crime thread). Taxpayers already pay to house these criminals in NYCHA, so might as well continue paying to house them in prison.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by LOVEROFNYC

Maybe this should be posted in the housing forum. My question was inspired by the article detailing the mayhem caused by the gang members who shot the one year old last year.

Most of these guys appeared to have known gang affiliations and based in their involvement in robberies, shootings and other illegal activities. They also seemed to have been residing/hanging around in NYCHA buildings.

Why aren't evictions of entire families who harbor these kind of criminal miscreants not enforced by NYCHA?

Why are these few allowed to create such chaos for the others who live there.

Why are tax payers subsidizing these people? Affordable housing should be for the disabled or people who are trying to get ahead not career criminals who make everyone's lives miserable and unsafe?







http://https://nypost.com/2021/05/07...-hoolies-gang/

Yea, I think there needs to be some community pressure and skin in the game so that criminals are shunned by their own families who don't want to get involved.

Originally Posted by elnrgby

You are 10,000% right - moving repeat criminal offenders permanently from NYCHA to dedicated housing (aka prison) would do miracles for safety, educational/occupational attainment, and upward mobility of poor but normally socialized people (ie, the kind for which NYCHA was originally intended). But in addition to the traditional apathy and laziness of the "public sector" about solving any kind of problem, now there is the militantly woke theory that dangerous criminals only "need our help". Like h*ll they do :-). The first step in removing the infestation with crime from NYCHA buildings would be privatization of NYCHA. Private sector has very limited patience with crime-facilitating baloney (see my recent posts in the NYC crime thread). Taxpayers already pay to house these criminals in NYCHA, so might as well continue paying to house them in prison.

Privatization's benefits really depend on how you go about doing it. There are better models for public housing that do work, but it's unclear how well they'd do in the context of NYC. It's the same for dangerous criminals "needing your help" where you have places like Singapore that place a pretty heavy focus and resources on rehabilitation for anything that doesn't get the death penalty since the cost of imprisonment and recidivism is so high.

[LLCNYC]

Amen!!!!!!!!

[jonbenson]

Originally Posted by LOVEROFNYC

Why aren't evictions of entire families who harbor these kind of criminal miscreants not enforced by NYCHA?

Why are these few allowed to create such chaos for the others who live there.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nycha/resi...usion-faq.page

Nyc.gov NYCHA

Permanent Exclusion – Frequently Asked Questions
General Questions
What is Permanent Exclusion? Permanent Exclusion is a strategy used by NYCHA to promote the safety and security of its residents. Permanent Exclusion happens when NYCHA brings a “termination of tenancy” action against a NYCHA tenant for dangerous conduct that violates the tenant’s lease agreement. A member of the household or someone else under the tenant’s control may have committed the dangerous conduct. Instead of terminating the lease (which would mean evicting the whole family), NYCHA can save the residents’ tenancy by excluding only the dangerous person or persons. An excluded person is barred from residing in or visiting the apartment as long as the Permanent Exclusion is in place.

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So if a man lived in a NYCHA building committed a murder and he went to prison and you wanted his wife and kids to be evicted there would have to be a new law passed

[Llol45519]

Bring back the death penalty. We are subsidizing these criminals in nycha and if caught and properly punished subsidizing them in prison. What's that called? White supremacy. Off the leeches.

[LOVEROFNYC]

Originally Posted by jonbenson

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nycha/resi...usion-faq.page

Nyc.gov NYCHA

Permanent Exclusion – Frequently Asked Questions
General Questions
What is Permanent Exclusion? Permanent Exclusion is a strategy used by NYCHA to promote the safety and security of its residents. Permanent Exclusion happens when NYCHA brings a “termination of tenancy” action against a NYCHA tenant for dangerous conduct that violates the tenant’s lease agreement. A member of the household or someone else under the tenant’s control may have committed the dangerous conduct. Instead of terminating the lease (which would mean evicting the whole family), NYCHA can save the residents’ tenancy by excluding only the dangerous person or persons. An excluded person is barred from residing in or visiting the apartment as long as the Permanent Exclusion is in place.

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So if a man lived in a NYCHA building committed a murder and he went to prison and you wanted his wife and kids to be evicted there would have to be a new law passed

If this was a one of incident sure. Save the wife and kids as long as the husband never steps foot again in housing.


But these gangbangers clearly had a long criminal histories. One killed atleast 2 people in 2 different incidents. And based on the tattoos above his eyebrows he killed more.

I find it hard to believe that no one in the family knew what they were up to.

In that case throw out the entire family for harboring criminals.

[elnrgby]

Originally Posted by Llol45519

Bring back the death penalty. We are subsidizing these criminals in nycha and if caught and properly punished subsidizing them in prison. What's that called? White supremacy. Off the leeches.

Well, there is the endless moral debate pro and con capital punishment. But it surprises me that nobody considers the intermediate option, ie, capital punishment as a voluntary self-service. Just put up dispensers with unlimited access to free fentanyl in prisons. Inject it, snort it, or ignore it: a personal choice.

[Mr.Retired]

REsponse: Opinion

Level all NYCHA and use the rubble to fill and cap the entire
antiquated and money pit of a subway system once and for all.

Creates jobs, displaces the congregation of criminals,
eliminates transit spending, eliminates underground crime
saving the City billions upon billions of dollars.

Maybe I should run for Mayor...............