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Old 02-21-2013, 08:59 PM
 
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What is a small amount? There has to be more to this.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:30 PM
 
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What is a small amount?
Less than 25 grams:
New York Penalties
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:36 PM
 
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For all mental health issues? Give a person suffering from scihzophrenia or some other psychotic illness cannabis and see what happens. Most likely their condition worsens. What ppl seem to forget is that cannabis is a hallucinogenic.
Some with schizophrenia are helped. Cannabis does not cause permanent hallucinations or brain damage. The hallucinations usually require high doses of high THC strains, and the hallucinations or unexpected feelings may cause panic 1% of the time. Hallucinations are sometimes more likely when 1 or more other drugs (including alcohol) are included. Some pills cause hallucinations, too, so chance of hallucinations has nothing to do with it being illegal. Smoking nutmeg can cause hallucinations.

Once one knows what to expect, what is normal effect, it isn't usually too upsetting. One example of a hallucination could be in the dark of the night, some patches of ground may seem shiny. That won't cause suicide, homicide or brain damage. Any type of effect is temporary, 1-4 hours from smoking, possibly longer with 1 hour start delay if eating it. Best wishes.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:49 PM
 
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They need to not start taking drugs which can best be achieved by long prison sentences both for sellers and for chronic users.

How about life sentences for users of pills, tobacco, or alcohol, & executions for those who make, transport, or deal (sell) these products? Since they all do way more harm than cannabis, wouldn't this seem appropriate, if it's all about protecting people?

Pills & alcohol kill about 125,000 each (Americans per year), tobacco maybe 200,000-250,000 & maybe even more die from food grown with toxic fertilizers, herbicides, insecticides, & bad ingredients added later.

For comparison, all illegal drugs combined kill about 15,000 Americans annually, including 0 for cannabis.

So, are your opinions based on danger or something else? Just trying to understand. Best wishes.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:54 PM
 
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WOW! Disagreeing with people like you equals trolling?

Welcome to the land of liberal fascism where we who disagree with the liberal dogma dare not express ourselves.
Legalization of cannabis is an issue that crosses party lines, so how can it be considered liberal or conservative?
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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imagine THAT

Maybe they should legalize all that crap already(pot, heroine, crack, cocaine) and show gross commercials like the tobocco ones. They would have plenty of material. Let natural selection take care of all the junkies and hopefully by year 3000 we'll have normal humans who don't need to be in an altered state of mind to have fun.

By the way I'm NOT being sarcastic
Why would you call pot crap when it has never been proven to be a direct cause of a single death despite being used by over 1 billion people since our earliest recorded history? It causes no permanent damage, & it can help over 120 medical conditions. Just see rxmarijuana.com/ Granny Storm Crow's list, Wikipedia, or sites like Law Enforcement Against Prohibition that point out positives in ending drug war.

About 1 out of 6 Americans now admit to using it regularly, sporadically, or occasionally.

The American College of Physicians, 2nd largest medical group, all internal medicine specilalists, have endorsed medical use of cannabis. Also, some religions are admitting it has medical value. But medical laws only allow 1% or less of the people that could be helped by it, that's why CO & WA voted legal for all adults. In MT, cutbacks in the MMJ program caused the death of 4 year old Cash Hyde of Missoula.
In Nova Scotia, Rick Simpson spent his life savings of $1.3 million curing many who had cancer or other fatal illnesses, using cannabis oil. He has a 58 minute video Run From The Cure. Best wishes.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:24 PM
 
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Then you go after and close down the black market.

We could cut down the murder rate if we legalized murder because all would be armed.

But there would go whatever morality is left in this country.

One of the purposes of legalization is to reduce crime. Make cannabis buying/selling something that can be done in a store. Recent Libertarian Presidential candidate estimated that legalization would cause a 90% price drop, even with a 100% tax. Many sources say the US govt (CIA) is the world's biggest drug dealer, so the thanks to customers is a prison sentence. If more people used cannabis, more might become anti-war. So just a couple reasons Feds want some drugs kept illegal.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:12 AM
 
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How about life sentences for users of pills, tobacco, or alcohol, & executions for those who make, transport, or deal (sell) these products? Since they all do way more harm than cannabis, wouldn't this seem appropriate, if it's all about protecting people?

Pills & alcohol kill about 125,000 each (Americans per year), tobacco maybe 200,000-250,000 & maybe even more die from food grown with toxic fertilizers, herbicides, insecticides, & bad ingredients added later..
You made a good case.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:15 AM
 
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It's more expensive for a taxpayer like myself to keep them imprisioned. Let people smoke up and shoot up in their veins what they want to.
And you or one of your loved ones were the ones to get in an automobile accident because the reaction time of the driver who was smoking marijuana was slowed?
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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Default Let's take it from a different perspective.

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And you or one of your loved ones were the ones to get in an automobile accident because the reaction time of the driver who was smoking marijuana was slowed?
I find it pretty amusing when fear mongers such as yourself say such things. Think about it. The high risk personalities that would smoke or otherwise ingest an illegal substance, and then drive irresponsibly, are already doing that RIGHT NOW! They are getting caught too. Cannabis has a distinctive and long lasting smell. Using it in a car is the most risky thing you can do.

If you legalize cannabis, it doesn't require that the currently responsible users are going to decide to go driving. Driving under the indfluence will still be illegal, as it is in every state. If you are a responsible person, that personality trait tends to spill over into everything you do. Responsible people drive responsibily.

At current levels about 1 out of 6 Americans have tried it or are using it. That is not going to increase substantially when it is legal. What will increase is the visibility of the users and the access to treatment for those who need it for dependency issues. Your loved ones are less safe right now than if cannabis were legal because access to treatment for dependency is very limited with long waiting lists.

If we made Meth legal would you become a Meth addict? I don't think so. Legality doesn't require you to participate. It just requires that you no longer be concerned with someone else's life choices.
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