Dangerous Areas of North Bronx (Webster, Floral Park: credit score, loans, unemployment)

[J10467]

[quote=Elvira Black;1863777]No fair changing horses in midstream...all you folks unanimously agreed that these areas were south and not north bronx.

North Bronx
Think you got on the wrong horse

* The worst of it being around the housing projects and of course White Plains Road. The area around Dyre Ave is pretty hot, also around Boston Road, Gun Hill Road, and Baychester Ave.

*In the 52nd precinct south of Bedford Park Blvd is the hood.

*50th precinct, Kingsbridge and Kingsbridge Heights have hot areas.

*Allerton is the east Bronx not the north, but the areas near the Parkside PJ's down to Allerton Ave have really gone to ****. East of White Plains Road is a slow decline for the immidiate blocks off the El, and there are a couple hot blocks and corners.
Grew up and lived in this exact location from the early 50's to the early 80's. Parkside till 19 then Arnow & Holland then Bronx Park East & Allerton Ave.
Was back there 2 yrs ago and what a shame to see a great neighborhood turn to crap.

The real reason I am responding is geography. Look at a map of The Bronx.
Fordham Rd. & Pelham Pkwy. divides the N & S Bx. While The Bronx River Parkway divides the E & W Bx.
The neighborhoods mentioned are all North with some on the West and some on the East side.
White plains Rd. & Boston Rd. in the area of Dyre and Baychester Ave and Gun Hill Rd. are as North and East as you can get.
Parkside projects are in the same quarter of the Bronx(North East) and Kingsbride & BedfordPark are in the North West.
Look it up!
Some days I still wish I live their though, John

[Webster Ave Guy]

Originally Posted by bluedog2

Probably true but the 16th congressional district is mostly(and includes all of) the South Bronx.This thread is about neighborhoods in the North Bronx.The North Bronx is mostly in the 17th district and the 7th district, both of which have very different demographics and income statistics than the 16th.

Yes, and it was not that way 40 years ago. All the projects, section 8 housing, puesdo-socialism and decline in work ethic and liberal dictated public school system implosion, killed the heart of the Bronx. Now we are seeing the death throws.

[Jasper03]

What? The criminals only stay in their part of the N. Bronx? Ever heard of the metro card? No matter what always be on guard for crime regardless of whether that particular block looks pretty.

I love to hear about stupid crime victims who say dumb stuff like: But that doesn't happen around here.

[joshd9124]

Originally Posted by Webster Ave Guy

Yes, and it was not that way 40 years ago. All the projects, section 8 housing, puesdo-socialism and decline in work ethic and liberal dictated public school system implosion, killed the heart of the Bronx. Now we are seeing the death throws.

Get educated pueso-socialism and all those things are not the reason for poverty and crime their ways to try solve the problems which capitalism, classism, racism, slavery, and colonialism create. The methods we use in this country aren't effective because it's such half ass BS that's just temporary help and doesn't actually get to the core of the issues and some people can just cheat the system.

[Webster Ave Guy]

Originally Posted by joshd9124

Get educated pueso-socialism and all those things are not the reason for poverty and crime their ways to try solve the problems which capitalism, classism, racism, slavery, and colonialism create. The methods we use in this country aren't effective because it's such half ass BS that's just temporary help and doesn't actually get to the core of the issues and some people can just cheat the system.

Wake up and stop the excuses. People have to help themselves. The state should never get involved in peoples lives, nor provide largess which leads to long term failure. Welfare and help should be limited to four years total. Otherwise it becomes a way of live and fails to motivate people to get better and become self sufficient. Life on the dole leads to dependancy, not independence. If you can't afford kids, don't have them. Birth control is free and access is simple. Take pride in yourself and community, do unto others as you would have done unto you. If your child is not ready for school, the parent should pay the system until the child is on grade level. White privilage is BS. The Bronx is dying because of what Liberals did 50 years ago, yet they are not held accountable.

[hilltopjay]

Originally Posted by Webster Ave Guy

Wake up and stop the excuses. People have to help themselves. The state should never get involved in peoples lives, nor provide largess which leads to long term failure. Welfare and help should be limited to four years total. Otherwise it becomes a way of live and fails to motivate people to get better and become self sufficient. Life on the dole leads to dependancy, not independence. If you can't afford kids, don't have them. Birth control is free and access is simple. Take pride in yourself and community, do unto others as you would have done unto you. If your child is not ready for school, the parent should pay the system until the child is on grade level. White privilage is BS. The Bronx is dying because of what Liberals did 50 years ago, yet they are not held accountable.

Well said Webster. I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately people on this board aren't trying to hear what you're saying. It is an inconvenient truth to them so they blame others or make excuses.

Here's a question to all the nay sayers on this board: DO YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THE GHETTO ELEMENT IN NY????

If the answer is yes, you need to address the CULTURE ghetto people subscribe to and pinpoint who are culprits glorifying this ghetto culture to the point that innocent IMPRESSIONABLE kids get sucked into that lifestyle which then continues into the next generation.

#1: Parents setting a strong foundations for their kids where outside influence will not corrupt your child. Even a single parent can accomplish that. It's not unheard of.

#2: Acknowledging that Hip Hop music is a HUGE culprit in glorifying ghetto culture which makes it look "cool" by associating a certain attitude and swag with a catchy beat and hook that entice young people in believing this is the way to act, this is the way to talk, the is the way to dress, this is the way to handle yourself around people, etc.

#3: Being poor is a situation, NOT a culture. Notice how different poor hood people act compared to poor south americans, poor Indians, poor Africans, poor europeans, etc. They all have in common the poor factor but what separates poor hood people from the rest is their conduct. Hood people seem to have an arrogance and entitlement factor to them. A product the GOVERNMENT created by giving poor people handouts like Welfare, Section 8 vouchers, Food Stamps, etc. They "feel" they are ENTITLED to those things which in turn keeps them lazy and unmotivated to improve themselves.

The other poor groups mentioned don't have that luxury which is actually a PLUS as it keeps them grounded and humble despite being poor. Many of them have to hunt for their own food, walk a mile to a stream to get water, etc.

The bottomline is IF hood people showed others respect, respected other people's property, took pride in bettering themselves and stopped making excuses and held themselves accountable for their actions, and abandon the cocky and entitlement mentality by humbling themselves, they would get much further in life and wouldn't be looked at as a nuisance or second class citizens.

[Bx4Life]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

northeast bx isnt as bad as south bronx but its still the hood.
edenwald - they shoot and the precinct is across the street
boston secor - average pjs
baychester - piece of ****
schiefflein - piece of ****
valley - gangs
laconia ave and boston road gets a lot of car break-ins

edenwald, baychester and schiefflein are all in the same area.
edenwald pjs is by far one of the most intimidating places ive ever been

hello i live like 5 seconds away from baychester [eastchester] and it aint that bad as how your describing it ..

[BinxBolling]

Originally Posted by hilltopjay

trying to hear

This has nothing to do with the substance of your post, but it is funny that you use this expression.

[caribny]

Originally Posted by Webster Ave Guy

Wake up and stop the excuses. People have to help themselves. The state should never get involved in peoples lives, nor provide largess which leads to long term failure. Welfare and help should be limited to four years total. Otherwise it becomes a way of live and fails to motivate people to get better and become self sufficient. Life on the dole leads to dependancy, not independence. If you can't afford kids, don't have them. Birth control is free and access is simple. Take pride in yourself and community, do unto others as you would have done unto you. If your child is not ready for school, the parent should pay the system until the child is on grade level. White privilage is BS. The Bronx is dying because of what Liberals did 50 years ago, yet they are not held accountable.

Webster your comments are not applicable to the North Bronx, excfept maybe in teh housing projects. The council district 12 (formerly held by Larry Seabrook) has a population of which 30% are college graduates. incomes only slightly lower than NYC (remember those Wall Street incomes skew the average) and 40% higher than the average for the Bronx. And many home owners too!

And if you exclude the PJs, of which there are several in this district, the stats would obviously be even better. Exckude the blocks around White Plains Rd, better yet.

This is what happens when folks peddle the notion that a black middle class doesnt exist.

[Webster Ave Guy]

Originally Posted by caribny

Webster your comments are not applicable to the North Bronx, excfept maybe in teh housing projects. The council district 12 (formerly held by Larry Seabrook) has a population of which 30% are college graduates. incomes only slightly lower than NYC (remember those Wall Street incomes skew the average) and 40% higher than the average for the Bronx. And many home owners too!

And if you exclude the PJs, of which there are several in this district, the stats would obviously be even better. Exckude the blocks around White Plains Rd, better yet.

This is what happens when folks peddle the notion that a black middle class doesnt exist.

I don't think anyone has a problem with a black middle class, only problem is that there are not enough! If they can make it, then most of the rest can. I think what is killing our Afro-Americans from doing well is the lack of Dads. It's a cultural matter now, but in the 1960s it was not. Why? Generous welfare payments made the role of the father as the breadwinner unnecessary. So, why get and stay married?