Dangerous Areas of North Bronx

[NyWriterdude]

Originally Posted by caribny

How closed minded are those who work retail or security guard jobs at $8 an hour because they must find work? Of course their peers who didnt bother with college, note that and then conclude that education is a waste...the last thing that you would want to see.

I was shocked some time ago to pass one of those job fairs to see that a very large % of the crowd were clearly middle class blacks, well dressed in professional attire. There must be some unique problem. I do not see how not talking about it solves the problem, what ever it is.

And yes while these problems affect every one it affects blacks worse. Hence the higher foreclosure rates when to MIDDLE class blacks lose their jobs, and are forced into low paying occupations just to pay the bills. Please note the high numbers of foreclosures in solidly middle class black neighborhoods. Clearly there is something going on more there than elsewhere.


You know what even Condi Rice admits that there is a problem and, now that she is no longer in the Bush administration, feels free to talk about it. Surprisingly she admits that her appointment at Stanford (the first time) was due to some diversity/affirmative action decisions by people who wanted to lok outside of the box in determining who they should hire. Clearly she performed well, or she would not have been allowed back there, after her tenure with Bush II.


And of course life is complicated. One must make the best lemonade with the lemons that one has. However when others pretend as if all of us have the same lemons so that something is wrong with some one whose glass of lemonade is smaller then its totally nonsensical to remain silent and allow them to peddle their foolishness.

No one really cares about the rate of anything unless they are personally affected. I could care less what percentage of Blacks do this or that. I'm really responsible for what I have to deal with personally. Ditto for whites, or any other race. I can't imagine a white person whose home is foreclosed upon is jumping up and down that whites have lower foreclosure rates than Blacks. What good is that information doing that person?

As for Condi Rice, she got hired at a time period when there was an extremely small pool of Black applicants for academic positions. Today, you have a lot more blacks greater qualifications and experience in area studies than she has.

As for those well dressed Blacks, clothes do not get you a job. You have no idea of their qualifications, or other factors that may have lead to them having difficulty finding work.

I never said not talking about something would make something better. Overtalking about something, and portraying Blacks as uniquely having all the problems of the world serves to turn away non Blacks and yes, that does make things worse.

And I do think a segment of Black people, by trying to be too pro Black, isolates themselves from everyone else. That has definite impact on employment, knowledge of opportunities and careers out there, etc. And that's something these people have to figure out and resolves for themselves.

[caribny]

Originally Posted by KT2516

But now a days if you point this out your a racist . I just want to know why?? I like math . I look at every thing I don't understand in terms math . That's why I used the formula To show what I found. There must be a reason?? No ???

Discuss the fcat that prior to World War II the Irish were noted for their criminal behavior, and indeed one can argue that crime then was much worse than it is today. They led the way in family dysfunction too. Watch Copper on BBC America and you will note that it was the Irishy, and not the blacks, who were regarded as being the criminals.

Clearly those who are disproportionately urban poor are most likely to be over represented as criminals. Note that Glasgow is one of the most dangerous cities in the UK, despite the fact that orther cities have higher black populations.

[caribny]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

No one really cares about the rate of anything unless they are personally affected. there, etc. And that's something these people have to figure out and resolves for themselves.

I really dont care whether people care or not. But when they get ready to damn black home owners, as they damn the ghetto types, or pretend that white males have it worse than every one else, I will respond. Now maybe you will remain quiet when they attribute negative stereotypes to you, but I have no intention of allowing this.

Some one here took a subway ride up White Plains Rd and then concluded that all of Wakefield must be ghetto. Another was so "sure" that the better parts of Wakefield must be populated mainly by whites, because the homes were in good shape,and landscaped, and there were no idlers hanging out. After all in their view its only the shabby tenements that would have non white populations.

I also dont care what they think of my comments. I will continue to make the best lemonade that I can with the best lemons that I have, and this mightsometimes involve confronting, or sometimes ignoring these types, as it suits my interests


You see some one took a chance on Condi and thought outside of the box when they hired her. One can only wonder if the issues of black professionals not being given their due was not discussed whether that person(s) would have thought to try something that they probably would not normally do.

She did a good job when she got the opportunity, and now those folks who thought that only white men can perform certain tasks are given an opportunity to broaden their thinking. Now imagine the wasted talent if she wasnt given the opportunity to perform. In a city which is 2/3 non white if some people think that only those who look a certain way can perform certain jobs, then NYC has little future.

[caribny]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

And I do think a segment of Black people, by trying to be too pro Black, isolates themselves from everyone else. That has definite impact on employment, knowledge of opportunities and careers out there, etc. And that's something these people have to figure out and resolves for themselves.

And really how many black professionals DELIBERATELY isolate themselves from other groups?

Even Al Sharpton has white friends.

Having white "friends" doesnt guarantee you access, if these same people are worried about what other whites might think of their black friend, and to what extent that this might impact their own standing within their social networks.

So we still back to the problem of black professionals having often having to carry the burden of black dysfunction, because of the negative stereotypes that some have of blacks as a whole.

[riaelise]

Originally Posted by G-Dale

Would have to collate community board and precinct data together. Nevertheless, when it comes to NYC, the emphasis is always welfare this and welfare that. Rarely on how to retain those that move up to provide a better life for their family. The answer seems to always be to just move out of the city, which is crap if you ask me.

Why is it crap? People, especially with kids, want more value for their money. They don't want to be taxed to death. They want to have peace, quiet, and decent schools. Not exactly crappy.

[ShirlMastic Beach]

Originally Posted by riaelise

Why is it crap? People, especially with kids, want more value for their money. They don't want to be taxed to death. They want to have peace, quiet, and decent schools. Not exactly crappy.

That's not how I meant it. I was more so thinking that the city doesn't provide enough of an incentive to keep the people that move up in life to stay here.

[Forest_Hills_Daddy]

Isn't there some truth to that thinking? In fact, plenty of truth? Even those who move up and choose to live in NYC over the suburbs admit that they do so while making a lot of sacrifices. Doesn't sound like much of an incentive.

[heally]

NE Bronx
I have lived 3 blocks from the Dyre Ave / 5 train for over 35 years, so, I think I know Eastchester and the NE Section of the Bronx very well. There were more Italians and Jews in this area back in the day , and it has not deteriorated, but it has definitely turned for the worse in the past 30 years, but slowly.
There are pockets of crime just as everywhere, where you should always pay attention to after 12am.

White Plains Rd under the train
241st /Wakefield is dangerous.
Boston Post Rd Gunhill to Baychester can be dangerous,
Boston Post Rd and 95 can be dangerous,
Edenwald can be dangerous
Dyre avenue is not so bad

Now there are safe pockets like where I live near 233rd and Provost Ave is safe
and we have a gentlemans club and that new gigantic sex shop, which actually brightens up this neighborhood
at night.Very rare that we have crime at all in my immediate area, thank god.

[NyWriterdude]

Originally Posted by riaelise

Why is it crap? People, especially with kids, want more value for their money. They don't want to be taxed to death. They want to have peace, quiet, and decent schools. Not exactly crappy.

You can move up in the city socioeconomically. Unless you have excellent connections (family) or you're superlucky, you'll need to get a good education. If not a masters degree and move up professionally that way. Otherwise it's just crappy jobs.

And on a national level whites with a high school education or less have increasingly high mortality rates in middle age due to suicide and substance abuse. So leaving the city doesn't necessarily cure one's problems.

People need to either move up socioeconomically via education or if that isn't an option, then they need to fight for better wages for working class people. The low wage is not okay movement has gained wage increases for fast food workers, NY state employees, and entire cities.