Dangerous Areas of North Bronx (New York, Eastchester: transplants, foreclosure, tenants)

[Bronxguyanese]

Originally Posted by BxMedic

I know... just basically throwing that out there as food for thought. This isnt really a discussion for the "northern" bronx. If that was the case we should throw Riverdale in with Edenwald...lol This is a discussion of the NE Bronx. Primarily the 47th precint.

if thats the case we should throw in throggs neck for south bronx aswell. Generally niegborhoods such as riverdale eventough its part of the bronx is generally tries not to associate its self part of the bronx example it does not use the term BRONX, NY but Riverdale NY for mailing. Riverdale does not associate its self with Bronx or with the North Bronx entirely eventhough its part of the Bronx. Generally speaking when people talk about the north bronx we think about fordham road, pelham parkway, wakefield and coop city but never riverdale, On the flipside niegborhoods such as castle hill and throggs neck are geographically in the southern bronx but are not associated in any way with the south bronx

[DivTen]

Originally Posted by Bronxguyanese

if thats the case we should throw in throggs neck for south bronx aswell. Generally niegborhoods such as riverdale eventough its part of the bronx is generally tries not to associate its self part of the bronx example it does not use the term BRONX, NY but Riverdale NY for mailing. Riverdale does not associate its self with Bronx or with the North Bronx entirely eventhough its part of the Bronx. Generally speaking when people talk about the north bronx we think about fordham road, pelham parkway, wakefield and coop city but never riverdale, On the flipside niegborhoods such as castle hill and throggs neck are geographically in the southern bronx but are not associated in any way with the south bronx

That's true, even though people compare north to south bronx, the real divide is between east and west bronx. Throgs Neck is the south bronx geographically but culturally it has almost nothing in common with Hunts Point, Mott Haven, or anything ppl consider the south Bx. Similarly, Fordham or Bedford Park and Pelham Bay are both geographically North Bronx, but they have very little in common, and are not usually associated with each other. Generally, the further west you go its more hilly, densely populated and higher crime. When you go east its flat, lower pop. density, decreasing crime...
"South Bronx" has more of a cultural meaning than a geographic location.
Anyway that's hood in the western half of the Bronx ppl will call south bx.

I dont what wrong with Riverdale ppl. Actually they disgust me. You can write whatever you want on that envelope its still the damn Bronx. If you zip code starts with 104...you in the BX. I'd rather Riverdale help lift up the BX's reputation than run from its own boro. Thats a whole different discussion though.

[gjerome17]

i have lived in the south bronx and now i live near 214st/Baychester in Wakefield. And Wakefield has it problems but as a whole is is great nieghborhood the houses are beautiful well keept manicured lawns and most of the people here are Black. The Adults work so hard to maintain and pay for there properties that it seems their always at work. and thats why their kids seem to go buck wild sometime. But for the most part its quiet and peaceful..dont believe that Mod cut

[victorfox]

Interesting articles about the Bronx I came across.

http://www.norwoodnews.org/story/?id=1629&story=norwood+heading+downhill (broken link)

http://www.norwoodnews.org/story/?id=1667&story=don’t+blame+residents+for+norwood’s +woes (broken link)

http://www.norwoodnews.org/story/?id=1723&story=actually,+residents+are+the+problem (broken link)

[bluedog2]

Originally Posted by victorfox

Interesting articles about the Bronx I came across.

NorwoodNews.org ::: Norwood Heading Downhill (http://www.norwoodnews.org/story/?id=1629&story=norwood+heading+downhill - broken link)

http://www.norwoodnews.org/story/?id=1667&story=don’t+blame+residents+for+norwood’s +woes (broken link)

http://www.norwoodnews.org/story/?id=1723&story=actually,+residents+are+the+problem (broken link)

These letter to the editor exchanges are typical of the anecdotal stories that underly the "there goes the neighborhood" mentality that seems to creep in whenever a largely white neighborhood is undergoing a change in it's COMPLEXION.This happens a lot in The Bronx and in other sections of the city as well.
I live close to Morris Park and you hear the same thing about that neighborhood."Undesirables moving in","hispanics are moving in","black people are moving in","oriental people are moving in"....oh,god things were so much better 20 years ago when it was a cleaner,safer,family neighborhood."
When you really investigate however you discover that it is mostly just whining an complaining by some old timers who can't stand that the neighborhood is changing it's COMPLEXION.The streets are actually cleaner than they were 10 or 15 years ago,crime is down dramatically from 10 or 15 years ago,the schools are at 125% capacity(highest ever)(families anyone?) and rents and property values keep going up...even in the last year.A lot of the people who are moving in are paying more for houses,apartments and rents than some of the complainers can afford but the complainers are still convinced that the newcomers are a lower class of people .
There is a real disconnect in many of these "there goes the neighborhood" claims when you dig out the facts. Don't know for sure if that is what's happening in Norwood but I suspect it might be a big part of it.Often,when you point out that the crime rate has gone down in a neighborhood like this these people will claim that the statistics are phony,that crime is actually worse,the NYPD and everyone lies,etc.There is no reasoning with them.
I go through Norwood fairly regularly and it seems like a pretty decent neighborhood to me.
How does anyone ever know how many people in a neighborhood are on section 8 anyway ? Do they have to wear pink triangles or something ?

[SobroGuy]

Well said BlueDog and very true. I find it interesting that NYC's murder rate is the lowest it has been in the past 45+ years (since they have been keeping records from 1960). In 1960, the city was overwhelmingly white, and now the city is majority people of color, yet murder rate is at the record low. Nobody wants to hear about that though, because that goes against their whining/complaining/logic.

And you are also correct when you talk about the people who are moving in who are in fact paying top dollar to live there (rents/home prices etc), far more than the "locals" could ever afford to pay, yet they will still complain. It is human nature to some extent....people seem to romanticize the past..most times it was far worse though when you talk about facts.

[victorfox]

I think the writer was refering to the increase of the lack of quality of life caused by the increase of poor people from the street moving to Norwood that have that "hustla"/"thuggish" mentality which is technically a sub-culture in its own which changed the perception of the neighborhood forcing middle-class families to flee because it is no longer a desirable place to raise a family. And I don't blame them.

[DoubleXAs]

Last time I checked, the 47 precinct had the most homicides in the Bronx.

[bluedog2]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Last time I checked, the 47 precinct had the most homicides in the Bronx.

Maybe....it has had 17 this year.But it had 46 back in 1995 in the days when the streets were supposedly so much better for "bringing up families."

And SuperMario,you know as well( or better than )anyone that the vast majority of murders and all other crimes in the 47th precinct do not take place in Norwood which is the neighborhood being referred to.They take place in parts of Williamsbridge,Wakefield, Eastchester,Edenwald,etc which are on the other side of The Bronx River and on the other side the metro north tracks.

Yes,Norwood might be in the 47th precinct but the 47th encompasses a lot of different neighborhoods and Norwood is one of the lower crime areas for the 47th precinct.

And when did you start using official NYPD crime statistics to make your points? I mean,how else would you know which precinct has the most murders? It seems odd because one of your main points is usually that we shouldn't give any credence to the official NYPD statistics.... especially the official murder rates.

[cotb16]

Originally Posted by bluedog2

Maybe....it has had 17 this year.But it had 46 back in 1995 in the days when the streets were supposedly so much better for "bringing up families."

And SuperMario,you know as well( or better than )anyone that the vast majority of murders and all other crimes in the 47th precinct do not take place in Norwood which is the neighborhood being referred to.They take place in parts of Williamsbridge,Wakefield, Eastchester,Edenwald,etc which are on the other side of The Bronx River and on the other side the metro north tracks.

Yes,Norwood might be in the 47th precinct but the 47th encompasses a lot of different neighborhoods and Norwood is one of the lower crime areas for the 47th precinct.

And when did you start using official NYPD crime statistics to make your points? I mean,how else would you know which precinct has the most murders? It seems odd because one of your main points is usually that we shouldn't give any credence to the official NYPD statistics.... especially the official murder rates.

Correction, Norwood is in the 52nd Precinct with University Heights, Fordham, and Bedford Park, not in the 47th Precinct with the Northeastern Bronx.