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NYC has a rising homeless population. Social programs have been cut, and the NYCHA has been privatizing lots.
Obviously people who live in them will have to do whatever it takes to survive, unless they like being homeless on the streets of NYC and freezing in the winter.
You're making excuses, plain and simple!
Listen dude, call it what you want. I don't have a dog in the fight, now do I? The projects served, and continue to serve a purpose. I'd rather people be in the projects than laying out on the street or living in shantytowns. I'll say it again, people who are poor shouldn't be forced to move elsewhere.
Then their families should support them. Not the taxpayers.
That's true, and it would be easier for families to help themselves if the tax burden wasn't already so high. In leaner times long ago I couldn't help my mom through a temporary health setback, largely because after taxes I didn't have anything left. There's few things worse than being so crippled by taxes that you can't help your own family out.
There should be a limited time that you can be in those housing projects. You have generations of people abusing the system, while there are real homeless people and families that need help for a few years to get back on their feet. There is have to be a better way cause the current way is not working and is creating dependency, entitlement and just laziness to better themselves.
There should be a limited time that you can be in those housing projects. You have generations of people abusing the system, while there are real homeless people and families that need help for a few years to get back on their feet. There is have to be a better way cause the current way is not working and is creating dependency, entitlement and just laziness to better themselves.
Private charities maybe? They have the ability to filter out moochers and direct their resources to those who really need it. Government welfare is structured in such a way that it's not easy to detect or cut-off those who are leeching off the system.
You obviously have not spent time in any project to make a statement like this. If you did you would understand why things are the way they are...this is how the world works.
Surprise I actually have. I know plenty of people who live in them.
Who's idea was take the limited NYC space along the Atlantic Ocean and build NYCHA housing? BTW one of the worst in NYC. Far Rockaway Hammel and Redfern houses are atrocious. Then people wonder why so much contempt for Governments and moochers.
what the city really should do is put all of you complaining so-called "taxpayers" in the streets and see if you can survive with the poor and destitute that you want to deprive of housing.
While I am not in favor of people mooching the system and passing down their apts to future generations, I think some people forget about another equation in all of this. A lot of people who live in these projects are also seniors on SSI and people on disability. Same with people trying to get into them. For those that don't know this, disability actually pays out less than unemployment (which is about to be raised in 30 days btw).
So for those people, who technically can't "better themselves" because they can't work, what do you propose they do? I'm not talking the mother who decides to have 5 kids from different fathers type of tenant. I'm talking the old retired lady who is collecting $900 a month on SSI. I also have 2 friends who are brothers who have MD and are in wheelchairs and can't work who live in NYCHA and collect disability. Where do you propose they should go?
PS A lot of money could be saved for taxpayers if the state would simply make the rule of if you are on public assistance and have a child while on it (I'm talking the full 9 months, not already being pregnant when you start) then you don't get any extra money for that child. You would see how fast the problem stops. But that's for another thread.
Private charities maybe? They have the ability to filter out moochers and direct their resources to those who really need it.
Entirely false. Nor does privatization help. Both already exist in great number, and they are growing.
The trend is to "place" the more anti-social groups, that is to say, those that cannot be screened into NYCHA, or who have been evicted for drugs, whatever, in "mixed-income" or other privately owned buildings. Harlem is filled with the latter in particular. Most are managed by "private charities," West Harlem Group Assistance or ECDO.
I read with amusement as people criticize NYCHA because I know that they are only one aspect of the problem, and in fact, an aspect that will improve as regards including only working people. Everyone else will simply be placed in social-service housing, which looks like any other building except for the litter and garbage everywhere, placed by residents, and the three dozen men, women, and children ensconced on the steps all day, every day, and far into every single night. Just below the sign that states, "Absolutely NO sitting on the steps."
The "moochers" are not going anywhere. They know how to work the system and they will continue to do so. Evicted from NYCHA ? No problem. First, they move you to the Convent Avenue Family Living Center, where you will bring down the quality-of-life for everyone in the blocks around. Then, a social-service building spot will be found for you, and the very same taxpayer money, more in fact, will be spent on your behalf.
People need to read more and go to a few meetings. Figure out what's actually going on.
the thing people don't get is tax money won't
ever be saved. it will just go to some other
program or pay-off. that's why things i can't
change like poor people on the dole don't bother
me the least, because it could be so much worse.
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