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Tommy Mickens/Tony Montana had his "legitimate" businesses on Merrick, on the corner of the block where I grew up. Everyone knew what was going on but, IMO, if you weren't looking for it, you wouldn't have necessarily known it was there. I can't recall any obvious heavy drug trafficking going on. Perhaps is wasn't as out in the open as in other places. There were many private houses where drugs may have been sold behind the scenes.
What are the boundaries of "Southside" Jamaica. When I was growing up in the Jamaica area, the rough part of town was called "South" Jamaica, and it was Merrick Blvd to the north, Van Wyck Expwy to the south, Baisley Houses to the east and South Road to the west. South Road was always a poor area but it turned into a hotbed of drugs and prostitution during the crack era.
I never believe the exact boundaries of what is considered Southside were ever really established. Some say it stops at the Van Wyck but others say it also included much of South Ozone Park (specifically the 130's going back to the Van). Some also say it stops at Merrick Blvd but then others say the neighborhood across from Rochdale Village is also "Southside" (I disagree with this, we used to call that area "the back blocks"). Some even try to consider Rochdale itself part of Southside while others extend the boundaries past South Rd and Liberty to include what we used to call "Bricktown" (Liberty & 177 and back).
In my opinion as of nowadays there is no more "Southside", its only South Jamaica and what I call "Richmond Hills East" lol
I never believe the exact boundaries of what is considered Southside were ever really established. Some say it stops at the Van Wyck but others say it also included much of South Ozone Park (specifically the 130's going back to the Van). Some also say it stops at Merrick Blvd but then others say the neighborhood across from Rochdale Village is also "Southside" (I disagree with this, we used to call that area "the back blocks"). Some even try to consider Rochdale itself part of Southside while others extend the boundaries past South Rd and Liberty to include what we used to call "Bricktown" (Liberty & 177 and back).
In my opinion as of nowadays there is no more "Southside", its only South Jamaica and what I call "Richmond Hills East" lol
My mom was a teacher at P.S. 80 (Rochdale) during the whole crack era and I worked in Rochdale in the Fall of 1984. Neither of us ever felt fearful of being in that area. Not until crack was long gone did I discover how dangerous the areas near Rochdale actually were.
My mom was a teacher at P.S. 80 (Rochdale) during the whole crack era and I worked in Rochdale in the Fall of 1984. Neither of us ever felt fearful of being in that area. Not until crack was long gone did I discover how dangerous the areas near Rochdale actually were.
PS 80 was not in Rochadale but in Mosholu Pkwy. It's actually the school Laverne from laverne and Shirely went to. Sorry if I came across racist.
That's why I have to dock Hunts Point, but trust me, Hunts Point doesn't need the Rikers stats to make it bad. It's murder rate in 1990 was 112 w/Rikers, it would still be over 100 on it's own.
What about in 1971(I believe it was 1971). They had over 100 murders that year and their murder and crime rate was by far the worst I've ever seen. The early 1970s in hunts point was probably the most murderous span for a neighborhood in America. Was that affected by rikers back then too? If so by how much? Because you said even without the happy land fire they still would've been in the 100s
My mom was a teacher at P.S. 80 (Rochdale) during the whole crack era and I worked in Rochdale in the Fall of 1984. Neither of us ever felt fearful of being in that area. Not until crack was long gone did I discover how dangerous the areas near Rochdale actually were.
This brings up another question. What were the most dangerous high schools in NYC during the crack era? Everyone knows about the Tyrone sinker incident were he killed those two kids.
Boy was I wrong on Brownsville and East Harlem. I based my numbers off 1990, a year in which both precincts had lower murder rates, and this led me to believe they weren't as bad as others, but as you can see they were right there.
Hunts Point had Rikers Island inflate it's stats a bit so I think it's safe to say that top to bottom, Harlem was the worst. They don't include the 30th precinct here (West Harlem) which had a murder rate of about 94 in 1990.
Mott Haven is in the discussion and as I've said, Biggie's old hood, Bed-Stuy, was the very worst of Brooklyn.
Boy was I wrong on Brownsville and East Harlem. I based my numbers off 1990, a year in which both precincts had lower murder rates, and this led me to believe they weren't as bad as others, but as you can see they were right there.
Hunts Point had Rikers Island inflate it's stats a bit so I think it's safe to say that top to bottom, Harlem was the worst. They don't include the 30th precinct here (West Harlem) which had a murder rate of about 94 in 1990.
Mott Haven is in the discussion and as I've said, Biggie's old hood, Bed-Stuy, was the very worst of Brooklyn.
I think Biggie was actually from the 88th precinct.
Wouldn't of thought Midtown had that many murders back in the day. The old Times Square, and some say they miss it.
I think Biggie was actually from the 88th precinct.
Wouldn't of thought Midtown had that many murders back in the day. The old Times Square, and some say they miss it.
Oh, never knew that. Thanks.
Midtown has a transient population so even a couple of murders is going to shoot it right up.
Also, I don't think Hunts Point had Riker's stats included until 1998, cause that's the year you see the precinct felony assault rate double even compared to the early 1990's.
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