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Old 05-22-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: South Bronx
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"The largely Mexican and Ecuadorian immigrants are being told to vacate by the end of May if they don't show proof of citizenship, a passport and pay stubs. Now that a group is aiding tenants, who are no longer being duped, they're being hit with bogus back rent notices."

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Old 05-22-2013, 11:59 AM
 
Location: New York City
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pretty sleazy
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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This is sad, but this is what happens when it is impossible to get tenants out. LLs have to circumvent the law. You do realize that by law LLs must provide lifetime renewals to tenants? LIFETIME! You do also realize that children can "inherit" the apt, and they too by law must get lifetime renewals?

Don't see a problem here? And this is why LLs resort to these kinds of tactics...and why TTs also resort to horrible tactics also. The system is lousy, toxic, and dysfunctional...there are no winners EXCEPT the politicians who exploit it for their own personal gain. You want to know who the real culprits are...it is our elected officials.

A reasonable law would be that tenants have a limit to their renewals...lifetime for them AND their kids (and theoretically their grandkids, greatgrandkids, and on and on) is completely unnacceptable. There should be an agreed to limit, whether it is 5/10/20 years, whatever, in which the LL can choose not to renew...it is HIS property after all! Until something like that is implemented, accept that these stories will continue, and LLs will resort to worse tactics.
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:26 PM
 
Location: New York City
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This is sad, but this is what happens when it is impossible to get tenants out. LLs have to circumvent the law. You do realize that by law LLs must provide lifetime renewals to tenants? LIFETIME! You do also realize that children can "inherit" the apt, and they too by law must get lifetime renewals?
You're acting like the property is being held hostage. These apartments are being paid for with rent every month. Lifetime has nothing to do with anything, because as a landlord you DO want your apartment rented for a lifetime and then some. And as you know there is also an annual rent increase permitted by the rent guidelines board.

Don't get me wrong, I am against rent stabilization & control, but you are being disingenuous by attacking the tenants as being some sort of squatters. These are legal tenants (if perhaps not residents!) fully within housing law. They just aren't paying market rates
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:37 PM
 
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I am not attacking the tenants...I think in my post I made it very clear that the LL and TTs are not the culprits, it is the system, and the only benefactor of this dysfunctional system are our elected officials. The system is causing LLs to do this, and it makes TTs do bad things also.

Until the LL can decide not to renew a tenant, for whatever reason he feels, then these things will continue. FYI: When you are obligated to provide lifetime renewals to the tenants, and their heirs ad infinitum, that is holding an apt (or building) hostage.
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:56 PM
 
Location: New York City
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FYI: When you are obligated to provide lifetime renewals to the tenants, and their heirs ad infinitum, that is holding an apt (or building) hostage.
It's really not. It's a socialist type program to protect tenants with housing stability and predictable costs with a reasonable compensation to the landlord. How is lifetime a problem, if your goal as a property owner is to get lifetime income?

Note that if as the owner you want to move in to a rent stabilized apartment, you are fully within your rights to claim it for yourself and not renew the lease. This rarely happens because the landlords don't want to live there, they just want to make as high a return on their asset as possible. So having established that owners WANT to rent the apartments perpetually, the only issue is price. The only justifiable reason to kick out the tenant is because you want to make more money, and in the case of socialist style rent stabilized housing that's not permitted because the government is protecting the buyer over the seller, which is completely flawed for a fair and efficient market but is the law of the land.
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:12 PM
 
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Every property owner has different goals, and lifetime income is just one possibility. Some are strictly seeking to knock down and develop, some seeking to convert to condos/coops and sell off, and on and on. You are not familiar with why people buy major buildings in this city, so why are you talking?

And now that we have established that there are MANY goals to owning these properties, your blabbering, is just that. nonsense.
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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As soon as the other guy debating starts resorting to insults to make his point, you know he's lost the argument
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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As long as those illegals keep showing up for day work at the local 7/11 and keep mowing my lawn I dont care if they have to live in a cardboard box.
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:03 AM
 
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Every property owner has different goals, and lifetime income is just one possibility. Some are strictly seeking to knock down and develop, some seeking to convert to condos/coops and sell off, and on and on. You are not familiar with why people buy major buildings in this city, so why are you talking?

And now that we have established that there are MANY goals to owning these properties, your blabbering, is just that. nonsense.
If someone wants to tear down and develop, there are a number of tactics the LL can use. First, find out who is illegally occupying the premise. If you find that's a problem in your building, you evict them. Got any problem tenants a judge would throw out because of nuisance or even criminal issues. Evict them as well. I'm sure the landlords will call INS on those they suspected of being here illegally. They used the implied threat of this to move some tenants out. Call the cops on them if they are selling drugs or doing other things, as if they're locked up you got them out of there. Once you've exhausted a number of tactics like that, you can begin the process of legitimately buying out legal tenants Got a few stubborns ones who won't be bought out? Keep up the pressure tactics with your lawyers, eventually they'll sell

You can use many of these tactics if you want to conver to coops or condos as well.

And I would disagree with you that the only beneficiary of this is the politicians. I think that those that work in landlord/tenant law do quite well because of this.
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