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Old 06-14-2013, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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While Bloomberg technically was legally elected to a 3rd term, him and the city council back doored it. It went against 2 voter referendums that called for term limits to be set at 2. So if you're ok with the will of the people being denied, so be it.


Bloomberg is a Nanny politician of the worst kind, not that there's a good kind. He also seems to be the mayor of Manhattan with a little Brooklyn sprinkled in. Fact is he really doesn't care about the people in the outer boroughs. See Congestion Pricing for reference.

No one is saying that cigarettes are good, but that was the first step in telling private businesses what they could do. And now it's soda. If someone needs a politician to tell them what is healthy for them or not then I feel sorry for them.

Granted the mayoral candidates right now are brutal, but that doesn't make Bloomberg any better.

Also, the city isn't nearly as safe as Bloomberg and Ray Kelly would have you believe. As someone who works nights in the bar and restaurant industry I can attest to this first hand.



excellent post, I totally agree.

remember the blizzard a few years ago.

C'mon people get out stroll around see a Broadway show. Bloomberg a nut.

and for the record ray kelly is no prize either
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:37 PM
 
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While Bloomberg technically was legally elected to a 3rd term, him and the city council back doored it. It went against 2 voter referendums that called for term limits to be set at 2. So if you're ok with the will of the people being denied, so be it.
If he won the general election, how was the "will of the people" denied?

The people wanted him to win, and as a result he won.

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Bloomberg is a Nanny politician of the worst kind, not that there's a good kind. He also seems to be the mayor of Manhattan with a little Brooklyn sprinkled in. Fact is he really doesn't care about the people in the outer boroughs. See Congestion Pricing for reference.

No one is saying that cigarettes are good, but that was the first step in telling private businesses what they could do. And now it's soda. If someone needs a politician to tell them what is healthy for them or not then I feel sorry for them.

Granted the mayoral candidates right now are brutal, but that doesn't make Bloomberg any better.

Also, the city isn't nearly as safe as Bloomberg and Ray Kelly would have you believe. As someone who works nights in the bar and restaurant industry I can attest to this first hand.
There have been numerous changes throughout the city. If you think only Manhattan and North Brooklyn have gotten better/flourished, you just don't know what your talking about.

BTW, Congestion Pricing HELPS, not HURTS the city. Not only would it pay for the completion of the entirety of the SAS, but it would reduce congestion and all associated problems. The alternative is a city that cannot move in the not to distant future. Almost every candidate is in support for the next mayor. It's a necessity and all come back around.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Geez, if we start objecting to people BUYING elections we might wind up with a VERY different country. Scary stuff.
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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If he won the general election, how was the "will of the people" denied?

The people wanted him to win, and as a result he won.
I really have no response to this. If you're ok with what happened, that's fine.

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There have been numerous changes throughout the city. If you think only Manhattan and North Brooklyn have gotten better/flourished, you just don't know what your talking about.
Define "better".


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BTW, Congestion Pricing HELPS, not HURTS the city. Not only would it pay for the completion of the entirety of the SAS, but it would reduce congestion and all associated problems. The alternative is a city that cannot move in the not to distant future. Almost every candidate is in support for the next mayor. It's a necessity and all come back around.

Congestion pricing would have targeted outer borough residents' wallets, not that of Manhattanites.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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Define "better".
•Many necessary zoning changes have occurred. As a result, many neighborhoods have transformed. Record development at this time.

•A significant # of affordable housing units have been built, or planned.

•7 train extension will link the city to the Hudson Yards.

•PlaNYC, most of which is already in progress.

•Successful implementation of smoking bans.

•Aggressive action and detailed climate change plan.

Those were just a few examples.

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Congestion pricing would have targeted outer borough residents' wallets, not that of Manhattanites.
False. Most (vast majority) outer borough residents do not commute via POV into Midtown. Statistically proven by the DOT. Many New Yorkers would have benefited from reduced congestion and associated problems. The revenue would have financed the completion of the entirety of the SAS. CP will come back around next term, the congestion still exist. The problem did not disappear and is getting worse.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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•Many necessary zoning changes have occurred. As a result, many neighborhoods have transformed. Record development at this time.

•A significant # of affordable housing units have been built, or planned.

•7 train extension will link the city to the Hudson Yards.

•PlaNYC, most of which is already in progress.

•Successful implementation of smoking bans.

•Aggressive action and detailed climate change plan.

Those were just a few examples.



False. Most (vast majority) outer borough residents do not commute via POV into Midtown. Statistically proven by the DOT. Many New Yorkers would have benefited from reduced congestion and associated problems. The revenue would have financed the completion of the entirety of the SAS. CP will come back around next term, the congestion still exist. The problem did not disappear and is getting worse.


any relation to sobroguy??????
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:32 PM
 
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•Many necessary zoning changes have occurred. As a result, many neighborhoods have transformed. Record development at this time.

•A significant # of affordable housing units have been built, or planned.

•7 train extension will link the city to the Hudson Yards.

•PlaNYC, most of which is already in progress.

•Successful implementation of smoking bans.

•Aggressive action and detailed climate change plan.

Those were just a few examples.
All of these are arguable based on $ and political leanings. A thread for each?


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False. Most (vast majority) outer borough residents do not commute via POV into Midtown. Statistically proven by the DOT. Many New Yorkers would have benefited from reduced congestion and associated problems. The revenue would have financed the completion of the entirety of the SAS. CP will come back around next term, the congestion still exist. The problem did not disappear and is getting worse.
LOL. The DOT proved it, eh? Hilarious. Such a trusting soul.



So if the outer borough residents don't commute to midtown, who does and where would the $ benefit come from and why do it?
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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All of these are arguable based on $ and political leanings. A thread for each?




LOL. The DOT proved it, eh? Hilarious. Such a trusting soul.



So if the outer borough residents don't commute to midtown, who does and where would the $ benefit come from and why do it?
Arguable? I think it's pretty self evident those changes have been largely beneficial.

Yes, the DOT compiles that sort of information in order to operate. Most outer borough residents do not commute via POV (personally owned vehicle) into Midtown. Subway, by far, holds the most significant percentage of commute mode share.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:57 PM
 
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So if the outer borough residents don't commute to midtown, who does and where would the $ benefit come from and why do it?
Your comprehension skills need some sharpening. NYkiddo said most residents in the outer boroughs do not commute to midtown via POV (cars,) he did not say that residents from the outer boroughs did not commute to midtown. NYkiddo is right, and if you don't trust the DOT, here are statistics from a NYU study: LINK

1.6 million people commute into Manhattan on daily basis, of which 82 percent use public transport.

If you introduce congestion pricing to Manhattan, you tax the 16% of commuters who drive into Manhattan, clog up our streets and drive up pollution, at the benefit of the 82% of people who use public transport.
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:07 PM
 
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Arguable? I think it's pretty self evident those changes have been largely beneficial.

Yes, the DOT compiles that sort of information in order to operate. Most outer borough residents do not commute via POV (personally owned vehicle) into Midtown. Subway, by far, holds the most significant percentage of commute mode share.

Yes, arguable. I don't agree with any form of "affordable housing". We can go from there.
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