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Old 06-30-2013, 04:09 PM
 
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Your comprehension skills need some sharpening. NYkiddo said most residents in the outer boroughs do not commute to midtown via POV (cars,) he did not say that residents from the outer boroughs did not commute to midtown. NYkiddo is right, and if you don't trust the DOT, here are statistics from a NYU study: LINK

1.6 million people commute into Manhattan on daily basis, of which 82 percent use public transport.

If you introduce congestion pricing to Manhattan, you tax the 16% of commuters who drive into Manhattan, clog up our streets and drive up pollution, at the benefit of the 82% of people who use public transport.
Fine. If your numbers are right who is it then? LI residents? It's a "tax to use our city".
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:18 PM
 
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Fine. If your numbers are right who is it then? LI residents? It's a "tax to use our city".
It not a tax on residents of any particular place, it would simply be a tax on anyone who choses to drive into Manhattan during rush hour, regardless of residence. No one is forcing anyone to drive into Manhattan, people choose to do so even though there are several public transportation options for anyone going into Manhattan. We tax everyone who drives (not enough, IMO, though) because they are using and wearing public infrastructure by driving. The same concept applies to a congestion tax, congestion is out of control in Manhattan, and it's a putting a strain on our infrastructure; the logical thing to do is tax it to deter it and improve public transport.
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:45 PM
 
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Also take note the alternatives to Congestion Pricing include but are not limited to:

•Worse congestion.

•More pollution.

•More collisions

•More rapid wear on automotive infrastructure.

•More tax money allocated from other sources to cover related issues.

•Economic loss.

•Regional stagnation on the extreme end.

As the metropolitan area continues to become more dense, we need to discourage private automobile trips into the core during peak congestion hours for those that can otherwise utilize mass transit. The monetary benefits from tolling include more balanced pricing and financing mass transit expansions. Those that must drive of course benefit from reduced congestion, pollution, ect.
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:19 PM
 
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I'm just going to come out and say it, we disagree on politics. I loathe taxes, you guys seem to find them beneficial. I can just see we're not going to agree on anything about this. Just the way it is.
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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I'm just going to come out and say it, we disagree on politics. I loathe taxes, you guys seem to find them beneficial. I can just see we're not going to agree on anything about this. Just the way it is.
returning to the greater issues beyond CP.

Do you disapprove every aspect of this climate plan? What would you change and why?
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Old 06-30-2013, 06:43 PM
 
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Here we go, punishing commuters and businesses, trying to control behavior, more taxes, mandates, micro-managing people's lives, soda intake -- this is insane, Bloomie is insane. If anything NY needs to become more affordable.

PlaNYC -- mandating business to become more energy efficient, guess why your rents are going up. Guess what building owners are doing -- asking how much is the fine, and aint touching Local Law 87 with a 10-foot pole.

We vote these people in, don't complain.

NY's appeal for people to live in -- it is all about security, which is getting worse. And please do not cite wolf's statistics of how well he is guarding the lambs. Or DOT, one of the most corrupt and disorganized dept. On top of everything else, please don't cite NYU's stats, the leftest wing, which would even put the National Front to shame.

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