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The pedestrian plaza in Times Sq actually reduced congestion. In the past, there were a lot of space conflicts in that area due to multiple arteries intersecting. The simplified design by pedestrianizing Broadway led to less congestion by streamlining traffic.
The same goes for other plazas. To date, no street closure or plaza has lead to increased traffic. In fact, in many cases they help relieve congestion.
You're 100% correct about that. I just don't think they should overdo it.
NYCHA projects are illustrative here. Streets through projects are pedestrianized. What effect does that have? Would you say it's positive?
Big picture: what problem is pedestrianization supposed to solve? Do you ever find yourself walking down the sidewalk and thinking, gee, I wish I were walking in the middle of the street instead?
Note: I'm a near-daily bike commuter and don't own a car. I'm all for a pedestrian- and bike-friendly streets. I just don't understand the point of closing whole streets to traffic.
NYCHA projects are illustrative here. Streets through projects are pedestrianized. What effect does that have? Would you say it's positive?
Big picture: what problem is pedestrianization supposed to solve? Do you ever find yourself walking down the sidewalk and thinking, gee, I wish I were walking in the middle of the street instead?
Note: I'm a near-daily bike commuter and don't own a car. I'm all for a pedestrian- and bike-friendly streets. I just don't understand the point of closing whole streets to traffic.
NYCHA grounds:
•The most common type of construction utilized by the NYCHA is tower-in-the-park.
•Within these developments, movement in and out of the actual apartment buildings is priority. Connections to social areas and parking lots are secondary.
•The grounds are often underutilized. Large expanses of inaccessible grass with minimal landscaping. Parking lots and small social spaces take up a small % of the land area.
•NYCHA grounds are private space, comparable to other multi-unit buildings with significant space in NYC. Not plazas like Union Sq or pedestrianized streets like Broadway in Times Sq which are multi purpose (event centers, social spaces, retail, act).
There are plenty of times when I wish the sidewalk was much wider, or the street closed period. Typically when experiencing high pedestrian densities. Less sidewalk congestion is more pleasant. Ever been to a street fair? A lot of areas have that kind of traffic year round. Would definitely be beneficial to the city to allow for this type of recreation more often too.
Summer streets is coming up soon. For three Saturdays in August, Park Avenue is closed for miles. I suggest you experience it for yourself. I wish NYC enhanced this program, Ciclovia in a number of large Colombian cities closes numerous streets to traffic every Sunday and on holidays. Millions of pedestrians utilize them during those times.
So many potential uses for that added real estate.
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IMO, I find Fulton st mall to be one of the least desirable parts of that BK CB. I also tend to avoid times sq and herald sq. I'm sure they are great for tourists that are scared of crossing nyc streets but they are not the only ones that the city needs to attend to.
IMO, I find Fulton st mall to be one of the least desirable parts of that BK CB. I also tend to avoid times sq and herald sq. I'm sure they are great for tourists that are scared of crossing nyc streets but they are not the only ones that the city needs to attend to.
I find both Times Squares and Herald Squares more pleasant than they were before. The Fulton St Mall isn't the best, but I don't think its issues have much to do with being pedestrianized.
I find both Times Squares and Herald Squares more pleasant than they were before. The Fulton St Mall isn't the best, but I don't think its issues have much to do with being pedestrianized.
The Fulton st mall is surrounded by very desirable areas in pretty much every direction.
Times sq and Herald sq are for tourists. In the past they were for degenerates and Macys shoppers.
Both of which are not necessarily different.
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