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Old 08-11-2013, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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But there will be the same policy anywhere you try to move since it is a nation-wide integration plan. You'll have to go rural.
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Old 08-11-2013, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Riverdale, New York
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But there will be the same policy anywhere you try to move since it is a nation-wide integration plan. You'll have to go rural.
We need our leaders to step up and stop this nonsense. Social inequality stems from people's OWN actions. If you want to live in a nice area you have to WORK like the rest of us. This hand out mentality is becoming sickening.
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Old 08-11-2013, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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"HUD estimates that compliance costs would range from $3 to $9 million each year."

I wonder how much it will cost states and local governments to manage this type of a program?
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:02 PM
 
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Instead of FORCING integration on us, deal with the people creating the crime and problems and make them productive members of society and they'll take care of their own problems by working and so on. All this does is cause White flight. The day that Riverdale started having Section 8 and housing projects is the day I would immediately move elsewhere.
I would support them moving Section 8 people from Mott Haven to Riverdale just to make that happen, Grosvenor leaving Riverdale! Bye, bye, Miss American Pie, Took the Chevy to Levy but the Levy was drying, and good old boys, drinking whiskey and rye, singing "this will be the day I die".
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Riverdale, New York
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I would support them moving Section 8 people from Mott Haven to Riverdale just to make that happen, Grosvenor leaving Riverdale! Bye, bye, Miss American Pie, Took the Chevy to Levy but the Levy was drying, and good old boys, drinking whiskey and rye, singing "this will be the day I die".
HA! The real question is when are you leaving the Bronx?
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Newark, NJ/BK
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We need our leaders to step up and stop this nonsense. Social inequality stems from people's OWN actions. If you want to live in a nice area you have to WORK like the rest of us. This hand out mentality is becoming sickening.
Til this day, I don't understand this elitist attitude towards lower income people as if they don't work. Newsflash: many of them do. Working hard is only one element of a lot of people's successes. There are other things that are necessary, especially today, in order to "make it".
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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What comprehensive programs do we have in New York?
NYCHA, for one. New York City is almost alone among American cities in having a large portion of its population living in public housing still. A few other cities retain some public housing, but not anywhere close to the scale of NYC.

There are other programs as well, like 80/20 and similar "affordable housing" programs that simply don't exist in other major cities/states. And rent control/regulation, which is not unique to NYC but unusual in NYC for the breadth of its impact. (Most other cities and states with rent regulation have maybe 10% of units regulated, or else the regulated rent is not any different from market rent.)
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:45 AM
 
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NYCHA, for one. New York City is almost alone among American cities in having a large portion of its population living in public housing still. A few other cities retain some public housing, but not anywhere close to the scale of NYC.

There are other programs as well, like 80/20 and similar "affordable housing" programs that simply don't exist in other major cities/states. And rent control/regulation, which is not unique to NYC but unusual in NYC for the breadth of its impact. (Most other cities and states with rent regulation have maybe 10% of units regulated, or else the regulated rent is not any different from market rent.)
I never thought NYCHA was an integration program. You could say that the 80/20s and the rent stabilization help big time with integration as they keep lots of low income people in Manhattan. But the NYCHA units segregate people in public housing, while the low income in 80/20s live in the same buildings as those who are wealthy. Ditto for the rent stabilized apartments.
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Old 08-12-2013, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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The tone of some of the comments here are from attitudes that really havent changed in the last 30-40 years! Very interesting!

While not commenting on the validity of the policy, one thing good policymakers do, is to find out why previous policies didn't work, and improve upon the next agenda! I am sure the policymakers have already looked at the failures mentioned in some of the comments on this thread! If they haven't, then one may conclude that the policy is a waste of money, and could be doomed to fail based on failure to learn from the mistakes!
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Old 08-12-2013, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Actually nationally it's been shown that the mixed income strategy has worked. NYC has it's own quirks but I don't see why it would not be preferable to concentrating the poor in secluded areas.
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