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Old 08-14-2013, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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What about dropping a homeless shelter right in the center of a residential middle class neighborhood? Can't be good for the local real estate. Guess real estate just got to expensive for them to put it in the logical place, Brooklyn.

Glendale civic leaders furious over proposed 125-family homeless shelter - NY Daily News
That's a bad spot for a homeless shelter. It's mostly homes surrounding that. I obviously hope that doesn't happen.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Riverdale, New York
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That's a bad spot for a homeless shelter. It's mostly homes surrounding that. I obviously hope that doesn't happen.
Just imagine... Glendale turning into the Bronx.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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Just imagine... Glendale turning into the Bronx.
That goes up, time to move.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Riverdale, New York
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that goes up, time to move. :d
Ha! LMAO!
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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That's a bad spot for a homeless shelter. It's mostly homes surrounding that. I obviously hope that doesn't happen.
Well, if its okay to put shelters around apartment buildings in Harlem, its okay to put homeless shelters up near houses in Queens.

Now, if its wrong to put shelters around houses in Queens, then its wrong to put them up around apartment buildings in Harlem.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Riverdale, New York
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Well, if its okay to put shelters around apartment buildings in Harlem, its okay to put homeless shelters up near houses in Queens.

Now, if its wrong to put shelters around houses in Queens, then its wrong to put them up around apartment buildings in Harlem.
Harlem is dense anyway so you can't compare the two, not to mention all of the housing projects there. It's just more convenient to have a shelter in Harlem. Similar demographics, easier to get around, etc.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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Well, if its okay to put shelters around apartment buildings in Harlem, its okay to put homeless shelters up near houses in Queens.

Now, if its wrong to put shelters around houses in Queens, then its wrong to put them up around apartment buildings in Harlem.
Density and commercial activity.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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Well, if its okay to put shelters around apartment buildings in Harlem, its okay to put homeless shelters up near houses in Queens.

Now, if its wrong to put shelters around houses in Queens, then its wrong to put them up around apartment buildings in Harlem.
Harlem has a lot of commercial drags and subway lines pretty much everywhere. The polar opposite of Glendale. I live a few blocks away from that factory, and with the exception of Atlas Park [which is too expensive even for the locals], there's pretty much nothing here but houses and a deli here & there.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:19 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Harlem has a lot of commercial drags and subway lines pretty much everywhere. The polar opposite of Glendale. I live a few blocks away from that factory, and with the exception of Atlas Park [which is too expensive even for the locals], there's pretty much nothing here but houses and a deli here & there.
The vast proliferation of social service housing and projects in Harlem has killed decent commercial activity. There are a few okay restaurants, the best barely up to a New York standard IN FACT, constant hype notwithstanding.

The "new" business that open are - dollar stores, bottom bodegas, chain restaurants. Instead of Equinox, "Blink." Always bargain, "affordable," garbage.
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Old 08-17-2013, 03:18 PM
 
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So its okay to dump people on SSI and other programs in neighborhoods that have lots of working class Blacks and Hispanics, but perish the thought they get dumped into white neighborhoods, or well off neighborhoods?

Part of the reason why the poor remain poor is marginalization. Diversifying communities to an extent can help expose people to new stuff, and in the long run can help make it easier for people to find work.

Lastly, poor does not always equal criminal. In Manhattan, in the 80/20 buildings, they accept a certain number of low income people into high rises. Granted, they screen them to make sure they don't let in people who are problems. But overall, the mixed income housing you have in the city works provided they kick out trouble makers.

But back to where to place low income people. You know, some people are low income because they can't work because of medical conditions. So these people should always be dumped in the worst ghetto, because some stuck up snob who needs to be beaten and slapped can't stand the idea of a poor person in the neighborhood? **** people who think like that?
Not everyone can live in a 'nice' neighborhood. Why should some poor people get to live in better neighborhoods and others can't? Better neighborhoods are made by the people who live there, pay for them, and keep them nice. The American dream is being able to move to those neighborhoods when you or your children figure out how to educate themselves and make enough money so that they can move there. The American Dream is not one in which you get there out of entitlement. Why should I work my butt off my entire life to afford a nice neighborhood when someone else can get placed there through a government program and not doing the same work? Yes, most of the time it takes generations. However, it is a generational process for everyone in that, ideally, everyone's parents try and do a little better by them in each progressing generation. If your parents did not, then they effed up, and its on you to start the process for future generations. Those are the breaks. If you don't have the type of opportunity that you want and you don't spend a majority of your free time figuring out how to best educate your children and give them a leg up, then you are effing up. You don't deserve to be moved out of your neighborhood. It took generations to give me any minor opportunity that I have had and I'm still not there yet. Everyone should have to go through the same process and shortcuts should be rightly seen as unfair. It takes that kind of hard work to appreciate a nice neighborhood enough to keep it nice. To socially engineer economic mixing eliminates the primary motivation to keep the American workforce productive.

By the way, there is zero reason why lower class people can't make their neighborhoods great, foregoing the need to move out. Raise your kids right, build a community, and build community wealth. This has happened and is happening all over America. It is happening in NYC. The process isn't magic. it begins with strong family values, which migrate out into the community. Failure to impart and live by these values does not obligate the rest of society.
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