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Old 09-12-2013, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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I think Sept 11th should have become a "National day of Mourning", and everything (within reason) should be closed. This should had started the following year. But we are such a greedy money hungry nation, that that would have never happen and we must work, work, work.

It would really make me crazy that our politicians say, we must "continue" and "go on" the world cannot stop. Ok, I get it, but all our people died on that day, so yes, I think America can stop for a bit.....

I had friends in the WTC, so I am sensitive to it.


Funny how "Martin Luther King" became a national holiday during the 80's. This is why i cant understand why 9-11 cant become a holiday either?
It was decided that there are already too many holidays in NY in September.There is already Labor Day and usually Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.It was feared that a 9/11 day would result in extending the labor day break into an entire week or longer and then combine with the Jewish holidays to render the entire month totally unproductive from a business standpoint.
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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Sbould Gettysburg be considered a national holiday?
Are you kidding me? July 1, 2, and 3, followed by Independence Day? Works for me!
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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Our offices were on Wall Street. We also have offices in California.

We had one employee in our San Fran office who received a paycheck instead of direct deposit. We were able to get in a payroll just before the WTC collapsed.

The paydate was 9/14 and, obviously, we were not allowed back into lower Manhattan. I get a call at home from this San Fran employee asking why she had not recieved her paycheck. Paychecks are delived to the NY office then forwarded to branch offices.

I explained to her that no paychecks were delivered and we dont expect to be back in the offices for another week or more. She asked WHY? I said..didnt you see on TV how bad it was. Her reply..So?, thats not our building.

Californians can be idiots.
We encountered idiots, too. We were relocated to Jersey City about two weeks after the buildings went down--working in someone else's file room, 14 of us squashed back to back. If I wanted to get up from my desk, I had to ask the guy behind me to move closer to his desk.

A couple of weeks later, a contractor calls looking to find out why their invoice hasn't been paid. We checked--it wasn't entered in the system before 9/11 so we told them they'd have to submit a new invoice. We had no way of knowing what we were missing. The woman at the other end said to my coworker with whom she was on the phone, "Oh great, how long are you people going to use 9/11 as your excuse for not paying invoices on time?"
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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very good points made here.

being a native NY'er, of course I am sensitive to it. We all have/had friends/family that worked in the trade centers, so it hits a nerve.

Your right, people in Nebraska on their corn field just go about their day, and what are they supposed to do?, they are supposed to go about their day.
Yes, they just didn't really feel it.

One thing I remember that struck me funny. One of the newspapers was interviewing people from other parts of the US right after the attacks and posted their comments on line. Don't remember if it was the NY Times, but it likely was because that's the one I read the most. People from all over the country were expressing their sympathy, wishing New Yorkers well, etc., and then I came across one from a lady in Indiana. She said she always knew that New York was nothing but a city full of sin and we were just getting what we had coming.
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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It was decided that there are already too many holidays in NY in September.There is already Labor Day and usually Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.It was feared that a 9/11 day would result in extending the labor day break into an entire week or longer and then combine with the Jewish holidays to render the entire month totally unproductive from a business standpoint.
The days on which Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur fall vary from year to year. What's one more day?

I can see it being more disruptive from an educational standpoint (the K-12 system and the CUNY system).

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A couple of weeks later, a contractor calls looking to find out why their invoice hasn't been paid. We checked--it wasn't entered in the system before 9/11 so we told them they'd have to submit a new invoice. We had no way of knowing what we were missing. The woman at the other end said to my coworker with whom she was on the phone, "Oh great, how long are you people going to use 9/11 as your excuse for not paying invoices on time?"
How's this for a response: "I dunno. Do you want come up here and help dig out the rubble so lower Manhattan can be reopened? (You'd have to get by the NYPD first.) It'd really speed up the process; thanks."
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:08 PM
 
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As usual, the history channel devoted time to re-run some of the events of that fateful day, and once again while watching, I find myself in doubt as to just how those gigantic buildings fell to the ground.
I know building engineers have stated that they pancaked, but that was an obvious observation.
The real question is, why?
One particular clip that I saw on the history channel showed the second tower just as it was starting to implode and drop.
Just seconds before it started to drop, you could see an explosion and flame about ten floors below the floors that were on fire.
I have felt all along, since this terrible thing happened, that the two buildings were wired to implode at a given time.
Let's face it, from the failed attempt to bring the buildings down in 1993, they had 18 years to wire the building with explosives, and that could have been carried out as daily routine maintenance.
I don't think many would have questioned a hole here, and a hole there while going about their daily routine.
I have witness building implosion a few times in Las Vegas when they would demolish a hotel to make way for a new hotel/ casino complex, and the way those buildings fell is exactly the way the twin towers came down.
Engineers have said the building floors pancaked and the lower levels could not take the added weight, and that is why they pancaked on one another.
Now, let's face facts, regardless of if the floors and walls were in their correct positions, they would not weigh any more if they were to collapse.
Metal and dry wall are the same weight, regardless of what happens to them.
To say that the foundations of these two towers couldn't take the weight is rather stupid.
They held up these two buildings from the day they were built, now all of a sudden they fail?
I do not believe that for one minute.
Those towers imploded just like any other planned explosive to bring a building down.
Any way, that day will live in history for many years to come, and perhaps one day the truth will come out as to just what brought them down.
Bob.
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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As usual, the history channel devoted time to re-run some of the events of that fateful day, and once again while watching, I find myself in doubt as to just how those gigantic buildings fell to the ground.
I know building engineers have stated that they pancaked, but that was an obvious observation.
The real question is, why?
One particular clip that I saw on the history channel showed the second tower just as it was starting to implode and drop.
Just seconds before it started to drop, you could see an explosion and flame about ten floors below the floors that were on fire.
I have felt all along, since this terrible thing happened, that the two buildings were wired to implode at a given time.
Let's face it, from the failed attempt to bring the buildings down in 1993, they had 18 years to wire the building with explosives, and that could have been carried out as daily routine maintenance.
I don't think many would have questioned a hole here, and a hole there while going about their daily routine.
I have witness building implosion a few times in Las Vegas when they would demolish a hotel to make way for a new hotel/ casino complex, and the way those buildings fell is exactly the way the twin towers came down.
Engineers have said the building floors pancaked and the lower levels could not take the added weight, and that is why they pancaked on one another.
Now, let's face facts, regardless of if the floors and walls were in their correct positions, they would not weigh any more if they were to collapse.
Metal and dry wall are the same weight, regardless of what happens to them.
To say that the foundations of these two towers couldn't take the weight is rather stupid.
They held up these two buildings from the day they were built, now all of a sudden they fail?
I do not believe that for one minute.
Those towers imploded just like any other planned explosive to bring a building down.
Any way, that day will live in history for many years to come, and perhaps one day the truth will come out as to just what brought them down.
Bob.


that's how I felt about number 7 WTC, in the midst of all the chaos of the day, they were able to "take it down" ever so graceful. The basement was supposedly on fire, yet they were able to successfully, mind you, take building 7 down, with NO hesitation.

something wasnt right there.

PS: I dont care how many holdidays are in september, it should have been a day of national mourning.
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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As usual, the history channel devoted time to re-run some of the events of that fateful day, and once again while watching, I find myself in doubt as to just how those gigantic buildings fell to the ground.
I know building engineers have stated that they pancaked, but that was an obvious observation.
The real question is, why?
One particular clip that I saw on the history channel showed the second tower just as it was starting to implode and drop.
Just seconds before it started to drop, you could see an explosion and flame about ten floors below the floors that were on fire.
I have felt all along, since this terrible thing happened, that the two buildings were wired to implode at a given time.
Let's face it, from the failed attempt to bring the buildings down in 1993, they had 18 years to wire the building with explosives, and that could have been carried out as daily routine maintenance.
I don't think many would have questioned a hole here, and a hole there while going about their daily routine.
I have witness building implosion a few times in Las Vegas when they would demolish a hotel to make way for a new hotel/ casino complex, and the way those buildings fell is exactly the way the twin towers came down.
Engineers have said the building floors pancaked and the lower levels could not take the added weight, and that is why they pancaked on one another.
Now, let's face facts, regardless of if the floors and walls were in their correct positions, they would not weigh any more if they were to collapse.
Metal and dry wall are the same weight, regardless of what happens to them.
To say that the foundations of these two towers couldn't take the weight is rather stupid.
They held up these two buildings from the day they were built, now all of a sudden they fail?
I do not believe that for one minute.
Those towers imploded just like any other planned explosive to bring a building down.
Any way, that day will live in history for many years to come, and perhaps one day the truth will come out as to just what brought them down.
Bob.
It's amazing how many people are demolition experts on the internet.
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:28 PM
 
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Just seconds before it started to drop, you could see an explosion and flame about ten floors below the floors that were on fire.
I have felt all along, since this terrible thing happened, that the two buildings were wired to implode at a given time.
Let's face it, from the failed attempt to bring the buildings down in 1993, they had 18 years to wire the building with explosives, and that could have been carried out as daily routine maintenance.
Bob.
Watching it live at the time I saw those explosions below the crash floors and thought there was no question that explosives brought the towers down.

That doesn't mean 9/11 was an inside job. It may have been a cautionary act to wire the buildings with explosives to bring the towers down in an orderly implosion if it was ever necessary. There might have been real danger that part of the towers would lean over and crash causing more damage so someone "pulled" them at that point.
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:28 PM
 
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It's amazing how many people are demolition experts on the internet.
Dont you know we never flew to the Moon either.

And Elvis is still alive



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